This time next year, President Trump moves back into the Whitehouse...

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Bwana wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 7:12 am ...that think he's unfit for the office. General Mark Milley springs to mind.
Here's a great example of your complete blindness to objective reality.

That would be the same General Mark Milley who made secret calls to China in which he discussed U.S. military plans with General Li Zuocheng of the People’s Liberation Army.

That Milley?

Same one who was responsible for the disastrously mismanaged evacuation from Afghanistan.

Trump fired him but given his actions in breaking the chain of command and making secret calls to the enemy(!), he's lucky he wasn't offered a ride on ol' sparky for treason.

You would accept his unbiased opinion regarding Trump would you? :hmmm:
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Yambo wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 8:34 am If I remember correctly Trump has said in the past that he was/is a Democrat.
Yup, even donated to Clinton etc. The Democrats thought the sun shone out of his ass for decades.
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ZRX61 wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 4:32 pm
Yambo wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 8:34 am If I remember correctly Trump has said in the past that he was/is a Democrat.
Yup, even donated to Clinton etc.
They probably became good buddies (shared interests etc.) during their frequent visits to Jeffrey Epstein's island...
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mangocrazy wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 4:54 pm They probably became good buddies (shared interests etc.) during their frequent visits to Jeffrey Epstein's island...
He cut off all contact with Epstein the first time he was collared for sex trafficing etc & banned him from his properties. I've yet to see evidence Trump went to the island.
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Screwdriver wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 12:22 pm
Bwana wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 7:12 am ...that think he's unfit for the office. General Mark Milley springs to mind.
Here's a great example of your complete blindness to objective reality.

That would be the same General Mark Milley who made secret calls to China in which he discussed U.S. military plans with General Li Zuocheng of the People’s Liberation Army.

That Milley?
You would accept his unbiased opinion regarding Trump would you? :hmmm:
Secret?
The calls, first described in a new book by Washington Post journalists Bob Woodward and Robert Costa, followed intelligence that the Chinese feared an attack. Milley said the calls were listened to by multiple U.S. military officials and were subsequently briefed across the administration, including to the White House chief of staff and the secretary of state.

“The calls on 30 October and 8 January were coordinated before and after with [Defense] Secretary [Mark T.] Esper and acting secretary [Christopher C.] Miller’s staffs and the interagency,” Milley said, explaining why he spoke to Gen. Li Zuocheng to assure him that the United States did not intend to attack China.
Woodward and Costa describe how Milley learned in October 2020 that the Chinese had become concerned that Trump would preemptively attack China because Trump was losing the 2020 election and his rhetoric against China was growing increasingly hostile.

Milley again called his Chinese counterpart on Jan. 8, 2021, two days after the attack on the U.S. Capitol, to again reassure him that the American government was stable and not an immediate threat to China.
Fancy that, a US general trying to stop a war before it begins. A treasonous bastard who has never been formally accused of treason :crazy:
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Yes. They were secret at the time and if Milley had admitted to being a party to undermining the chain of command (Remembering the president is the commander in chief), he would have been sacked immediately. He is lucky not to have been charged with treason, that is almost certainly a court martial at least.

Trump did not start a war and who knows how such pressure would have affected US negotiations with the CCP. Meanwhile, it is worth reminding people just how evil and corrupt the CCP really is and that’s just what we know of their nefarious activities. What we Don”T know is almost certainly a lot worse!
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Since you hate the relevant text being quoted 'out of context', here's your entire post, I've only removed Bwana's previous post. Also, entire post quoted means the totally irrelevant 'both sides' section is still here, getting in the way.
Screwdriver wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 4:45 pm Clearly you are determined to ignore the truth. The demonstrable and provable truth which is there for all to see.

There are several reported cases of wildlife and pet animals being either killed and eaten, killed and mutilated or simply mutilated. My understanding is that these are not all reports from the Haitian invasion of Springfield and that many of the remains appear to indicate voodoo practices largely performed by Jamaican immigrants. Admittedly it is a relatively trivial matter which the left have cleverly magnified to distract from the disastrous performance of the current administration which includes their darling Harris.

Trump did specifically denounce the neo-nazi/white supremacists before making the "both sides" comment" so all that you and the rest of the left wing propagandists are saying is that EVERYONE who is a Trump supporter or right wing patriot is by default a neo-nazi/white supremacist. If you believe that, then there is no point trying to have a rational discussion with you.
1. Several reported cases. Do you mean in Springfield?
2. 'Invasion'
3. Trivial matter
4. Left have magnified
BBC wrote: A week after Donald Trump's comments at a presidential debate thrust this city in south-west Ohio into the national spotlight, people here are still struggling at times to separate fact from fiction.

The cameras have mostly been put away, the Proud Boys have gone home, and the town of Springfield, Ohio seems to have reached a shaky, temporary peace.

The only sign of the chaos of this past week is state troopers guarding local schools, called in by Ohio Gov Mike DeWine after nearly 30 bomb threats against schools and government buildings. State authorities say the threats have mostly come from outside the US, but their exact origin – and who’s behind them – is still a mystery.

If there is one thing that most people are certain about here, it's that the rumour that kicked everything off - that Haitians are regularly capturing and eating pet cats and dogs - is false.

At first glance Springfield looks like a typical small midwestern city.

Its virtues include stately homes from the city's heyday, a few busy downtown blocks, an art museum, a leafy campus and a Frank Lloyd Wright-designed house. But not far away are areas full of decaying strip malls backed by blocks of boarded-up houses and threaded through with chewed-up, potholed streets.

Springfield's population had been declining for decades before a few years ago, when Haitians were drawn here by the relatively low cost of living and the promise of work in local factories. City estimates of the number of Haitians here range from 12,000 to 20,000, in a city previously home to about 60,000, according to the 2020 census.

Business owners and some residents have welcomed the newcomers, but some have complained about rent increases, strains on local schools and hospitals and dangerous drivers.

Tensions were amplified last year when a car driven by a Haitian immigrant hit a school bus, killing an 11-year-old boy.

And then in recent weeks came the cat rumours. They began with a YouTube clip containing a second-hand account and a Facebook post attributed to the friend of the daughter of a neighbour. The woman behind the post recently retracted her account, saying she looked further into the story and determined it wasn't true.

But the idea that Haitian immigrants were eating pets - allegations that have long been lobbed at a variety of immigrant groups in many countries - had already gone viral. They spread to right-wing accounts with big followings, until they were repeated online by Republican vice-presidential candidate JD Vance, and by Trump during last Wednesday's debate.

"In Springfield, they're eating the dogs," he said. "The people that came in, they're eating the cats."

Following the debate, Springfield Mayor Rob Rue, a Republican, told BBC Newsnight people need to better understand "the weight of their words and how it can negatively affect communities".

It's unclear why Trump mentioned dogs - the online rumours focused on cats and also on wild ducks and geese. Local police have not recorded any cases of pets being devoured.

Independent, right-wing and pro-Trump news sources searched for evidence, in some cases offering rewards for proof of cat abduction. So far no evidence of pet eating has come to light.

Despite the false claims, Trump's comments put Springfield in the national spotlight, increasing tensions between the Haitian community and local residents.

Trump told a rally in New York on Wednesday that he would hold an event in the Ohio city soon.

"I'm going to go there in the next two weeks," Trump said. "I'm going to Springfield, and I'm going to Aurora" in Colorado, another city that his campaign has made the focus of claims about immigration.

Mayor Rue told a news conference Tuesday that a Trump rally "would be an extreme strain on our resources".

"So it'd be fine with me if they decided not to make that visit," he said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1l4g6g5d97o quoted in full

1. Several reported cases. Do you mean in Springfield?

No bolding in the quote above, you alone can clarify, with verified sources.

2. 'Invasion'. Quite an emotive word.

Promise of jobs and 'welcomed'.

3. Trivial matter

So trivial they were repeated by JD Vance and D Trump

4. Left have magnified

Trump raised it (incorrectly?) in the televised debate. Can't really 'magnify' it much more than that.

Screwdriver wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 4:45 pm Clearly you are determined to ignore the truth. The demonstrable and provable truth which is there for all to see.
Extract from the full quote given above, although you were replying to Bwana.

Link to full post (for anyone who wants to see it):

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No.
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Reading all these claims, counter claims, facts and fiction from, as I understand it, non Americans, made me wonder if we were to boil it down to some simple questions, what the honest answers would be? Assuming you have no real skin in the game as non Americans, because let's face it, the USA is not quite the global force it thinks it is, should it really matter who gets in?

1, is Donald Trump honest? Yes or no.
2, do you trust Donald Trump? Yes or no
3, is he fit for office? Yes or no
4, is he driven to do good for the people? Yes or no
and finally
Is he a narcissist? Yes or no

These are about Trump, not Harris or Biden at al.

Genuinely curious about what some of the most, apparently, fervent RTTL Trump supporters think.

You know my feelings. He's a POS who should go away and do something worthwhile with his remaining years. Altruism is a wonderful thing after all.

You may be able to educate me about DT so that I can see a better man than I currently see. Am I guilty of global political naivety. Am I missing something?

I don't wear a tin hat, so go for it if you feel the need. However, please keep in mind that these are simple questions borne out of genuine curiosity. I'm not seeking abuse or argument, so try and be civil.

What's your honest answers?
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Buckaroo wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 11:32 pm 1, is Donald Trump honest? Yes or no.
2, do you trust Donald Trump? Yes or no
3, is he fit for office? Yes or no
4, is he driven to do good for the people? Yes or no
and finally
Is he a narcissist? Yes or no
1. He's a politician. No
2. He's a politician. No
3. Yes
4. Yes. Otherwise he'd have retired to Mar a Lago and played golf all day.
and finally (you didn't give it a number :) )
Yes.

You said this isn't about Harris or Biden but:

Harris/Biden

1. No/No
2. No/No
3.Hell no/Hell no
4. No/No, unless the people are called Biden
5. Yes/He was, now he's just a confused old man.

And we all have skin in the game. A weak USA is bad for the whole world.
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Buckaroo wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 11:32 pm 1, is Donald Trump honest? Yes or no.
2, do you trust Donald Trump? Yes or no
3, is he fit for office? Yes or no
4, is he driven to do good for the people? Yes or no
5. Is he a narcissist? Yes or no
1. Yes, I believe he is the real deal and genuinely wants to do "the right thing" for America and Americans. MAGA.

2. He was a New York real estate broker, a pretty good one at that. I would trust him only in so far as he would want the best deal for the USA, so if he was doing a deal with me, I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. In any kind of business negotiation, I'd get eaten alive.

3. Yes. The perfect candidate by not being part of the uniparty system wholly owned by global corp. inc.

4. Yes. A lesser man would have given up after years of trumped up charges from a weaponised justice system, let alone being shot in the head.

5. Yes. Big time. He obviously wants to be remembered as the best president ever by doing what he thinks is best for the USA.

@Saga Lout hiys the nail on the head: "And we all have skin in the game. A weak USA is bad for the whole world."

We are seeing how that pans out right now...
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Loud LOL!
Trump tanked 3 casinos.
Trump ripped off numerous victims with Trump University and got hammered in court over the matter.
Trump ran Trump airlines into the ground
Trump ripped off donors to his charity and got hammered in court over the matter.
Trump is in hot water for tax evasion downplaying property values for tax purposes and elevating them for loans
Trump told at least 30,000 lies during his term in office. A trend that has continued like a petrol fire.
Trump ran up more than 7 trillion in debt during his term. So much for conservativism.
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Screwdriver wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 8:19 pm Yes. They were secret at the time and if Milley had admitted to being a party to undermining the chain of command (Remembering the president is the commander in chief), he would have been sacked immediately. He is lucky not to have been charged with treason, that is almost certainly a court martial at least.

Trump did not start a war and who knows how such pressure would have affected US negotiations with the CCP. Meanwhile, it is worth reminding people just how evil and corrupt the CCP really is and that’s just what we know of their nefarious activities. What we Don”T know is almost certainly a lot worse!
Jesus fucking wept, you really are clueless. Note the bits in bold.
“I know, I am certain, that President Trump did not intend to attack the Chinese and it was my directed responsibility to convey presidential orders and intent,” Milley told the Senate Armed Services Committee on Tuesday. “My task at that time was to de-escalate. My message again was consistent: Stay calm, steady, and de-escalate. We are not going to attack you.”

Milley has been at the center of a firestorm amid reports he made two calls to Gen. Li Zuocheng of the People’s Liberation Army to assure him that the United States was not going to suddenly go to war with or attack China. Details of the calls were first aired in excerpts from the recently released book “Peril” by Washington Post journalists Bob Woodward and Robert Costa.

Some U.S. lawmakers have said Milley overstepped his authority, and they have called for President Joe Biden to fire him. Trump blasted Milley as treasonous, called him “a complete nutjob” and said Milley “never told me about calls being made to China.”

In his most extensive comments to date on the matter, Milley said that the calls on Oct. 30 and Jan. 8 were fully coordinated with the defense secretaries at the time as well as other U.S. national security agencies.

The calls came during Trump’s turbulent last months in office as he challenged the results of the 2020 election. The second call came two days after Jan. 6, when a violent mob attacked the U.S. Capitol in an effort to prevent Congress from certifying Biden’s White House victory.

Milley said the October call was made at the direction of then-Defense chief Mark Esper and the second was done at the request of the Chinese and coordinated with then-acting Defense Secretary Chris Miller’s office.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/w ... dent-trump

As far as the exit from Afghanistan is concerned, dotard set the stage by drawing down US troops and simultaneously negotiating the release of 5000 Taliban prisoners with fuckall in return. No Afghan officials were included in the deal making. There were 2500 troops remaining when Biden was sworn in. He increased that number to 7000 in the months troops remained.
Actually the stage for failure was set 2 decades earlier with Bush's decision to go in to Afghanistan. That little bumbling effort cost 2456 US military personnel, 3917 US contractors, and 1144 allied troops. Under Trump's watch 42 troops died in spite of his claims, under Biden 19 troops died. US taxpayers lost $2.3 trillion to the wasted effort.
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Saga Lout wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 11:55 pm
Otherwise he'd have retired to Mar a Lago and played golf all day.
That pretty well describes his entire presidency. At least when he wasn't sucking up to dictators or whining incessantly about how unfairly he was treated by whatever entity hurt his feelings that day.
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The various answers to Buckaroo's five questions prove conclusively to me that we are all wasting our time debating about Trump (yes, I'm full of such searing insights - bear with me...) as our views on The Donald are at polar ends of the spectrum and can never be reconciled. I think Trump is a vain, petty, blimp of a person whose only aim in life is self-aggrandisment. He doesn't give a flying fuck about the American electorate save for whether he can con them into voting for him.

But if you're part of Team Trump you (somehow) manage to believe that he is doing all this for the good of the American people and only has their best interests at heart. He's selflessly turning his back on the untold riches that his business empire generates in order to defeat the Commies at the heart of the Democrat machine.

Like I said - poles apart and can never be reconciled.
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mangocrazy wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 9:55 am The various answers to Bwana's five questions prove conclusively to me that we are all wasting our time debating about Trump (yes, I'm full of such searing insights - bear with me...) as our views on The Donald are at polar ends of the spectrum and can never be reconciled. I think Trump is a vain, petty, blimp of a person whose only aim in life is self-aggrandisment. He doesn't give a flying fuck about the American electorate save for whether he can con them into voting for him.

But if you're part of Team Trump you (somehow) manage to believe that he is doing all this for the good of the American people and only has their best interests at heart. He's selflessly turning his back on the untold riches that his business empire generates in order to defeat the Commies at the heart of the Democrat machine.

Like I said - poles apart and can never be reconciled.
That's where I arrived in terms of thinking about this thread, hence my questions above.

Each to their own, but the polarisation will only result in less debate and more upset.

My very close friend in Boston has essentially lost lifetime friends over this topic. Lot's of Americans are genuinely scared of what's coming in November, regardless of the outcome.
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Buckaroo wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 10:06 am
mangocrazy wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 9:55 am The various answers to Buckaroo's five questions prove conclusively to me that we are all wasting our time debating about Trump (yes, I'm full of such searing insights - bear with me...) as our views on The Donald are at polar ends of the spectrum and can never be reconciled. I think Trump is a vain, petty, blimp of a person whose only aim in life is self-aggrandisment. He doesn't give a flying fuck about the American electorate save for whether he can con them into voting for him.

But if you're part of Team Trump you (somehow) manage to believe that he is doing all this for the good of the American people and only has their best interests at heart. He's selflessly turning his back on the untold riches that his business empire generates in order to defeat the Commies at the heart of the Democrat machine.

Like I said - poles apart and can never be reconciled.
That's where I arrived in terms of thinking about this thread, hence my questions above.

Each to their own, but the polarisation will only result in less debate and more upset.

My very close friend in Boston has essentially lost lifetime friends over this topic. Lot's of Americans are genuinely scared of what's coming in November, regardless of the outcome.
Sorry for the mis-attribution of the five questions. Nice one.
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mangocrazy wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 9:55 am wasting our time debating about Trump
When we've got our own house in order I might, just might give a crap about the American president, but it's highly unlikely.
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MrLongbeard wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 11:46 am
mangocrazy wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 9:55 am wasting our time debating about Trump
When we've got our own house in order I might, just might give a crap about the American president, but it's highly unlikely.
You want to wait until 2029 to debate Trump winning or losing in 2024? I don't think that will work. :hmmm:
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Bwana wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 5:56 am That pretty well describes his entire presidency. At least when he wasn't sucking up to dictators or whining incessantly about how unfairly he was treated by whatever entity hurt his feelings that day.
Biden has spent 40% of his term on vacation...The highest of any President. Just imagine how fucking dire things would be if he was on the job 95% of the time.