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Screwdriver wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 9:11 am
Mr Moofo wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 8:39 am Just went looking for the lizards that are running Biden and came across this:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025
You know it's only the Democrat propaganda machine that takes "Project 2025" seriously right?

This out of the park Republican think tank is nothing to do with Trump. It is just that, a think tank where they come up with presumably idiotic ideas. I haven't bothered reading it since neither Trump nor Vance endorse it.
Just LOL.

'Trump campaign officials have had regular contact with Project 2025, and told Politico in 2023 that the project aligned well with their Agenda 47 program, though they have said that the project does not speak for Trump or his campaign.[10][52][53][54]'
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Screwdriver wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 9:02 am

Funny how your recall works, after arguing the toss about whether or not Biden was showing clear signs of dementia, now you're claiming you knew all along. Anyhow we digress,
DefTrap wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 10:29 pm I'm pointing out that you now have a rubbish elderly president in biden and you previously had a rubbish elderly president in trump. But apparently you think the incumbent is worse. Not really.

There's reams and reams of nonsensical trump speeches that you could bore us with.

Until the US stops electing rubbish elderly presidents you're going to keep getting this garbage.
You didn't look very hard did you.? That's from 2021 by the way. Digress all you like if you're going to make it this easy.
Seriously - don't go down the route of "predicting" Biden's demise. Give yourself a break.
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Count Steer wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 9:23 am Just LOL.

'Trump campaign officials have had regular contact with Project 2025, and told Politico in 2023 that the project aligned well with their Agenda 47 program, though they have said that the project does not speak for Trump or his campaign.[10][52][53][54]'
LOL back atcha'

Says who exactly? Trump campaign officials? Seriously, what do you think that even means.
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Screwdriver wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 9:31 am
Count Steer wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 9:23 am Just LOL.

'Trump campaign officials have had regular contact with Project 2025, and told Politico in 2023 that the project aligned well with their Agenda 47 program, though they have said that the project does not speak for Trump or his campaign.[10][52][53][54]'
LOL back atcha'

Says who exactly? Trump campaign officials? Seriously, what do you think that even means.
I think it means that neither group can officially endorse the other otherwise the group behind Project 2025 would lose their charitable status and have to start paying tax. Also that the Trump campaign realise that some of the proposals might actually be vote losers so best not to dwell on them before 5th November.
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DefTrap wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 9:28 am
Screwdriver wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 9:02 am

Funny how your recall works, after arguing the toss about whether or not Biden was showing clear signs of dementia, now you're claiming you knew all along. Anyhow we digress,
DefTrap wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 10:29 pm I'm pointing out that you now have a rubbish elderly president in biden and you previously had a rubbish elderly president in trump. But apparently you think the incumbent is worse. Not really.

There's reams and reams of nonsensical trump speeches that you could bore us with.

Until the US stops electing rubbish elderly presidents you're going to keep getting this garbage.
You didn't look very hard did you.? That's from 2021 by the way. Digress all you like if you're going to make it this easy.
Seriously - don't go down the route of "predicting" Biden's demise. Give yourself a break.
Oh I saw that non committal verbiage claiming Trump was worse than Biden.

Frankly I am surprised you would stand by that ridiculous opinion. Trump could stand at a podium in front of tens of thousands and extemporise for hours if the Democrats would stop shooting at him. Biden couldn't tell you what he had for breakfast without a teleprompter - "I'm not kidding".
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Count Steer wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 9:37 am I think it means that neither group can officially endorse the other otherwise the group behind Project 2025 would lose their charitable status and have to start paying tax. Also that the Trump campaign realise that some of the proposals might actually be vote losers so best not to dwell on them before 5th November.
LOL. OMG you actually believe that!

Jesus. OK well this two party system really is incredibly polarising. I'll be honest and put my hands up, I literally can't stand the sight of Kamala Harris, the witches cackle and her questionable competence.Difficult to say really because she has been more well hidden than even dopey Joe.

I mean, where the fuck even is Joe Biden? You know, that living corpse that is supposed to be running the USA. Trump would be tweeting out his nonsense like a machine gun and giving us all hours of entertainment every day. Has Biden ever even had an unscripted press conference? I mean, ever? Where is he now?

And where to fuck is this Kamala bimbo anyway. She is studiously avoiding any sort of interview.

I think people get so entrenched in their polarised opinion, they can't even countenance the idea of taking "the other side" seriously.

I know I certainly am. Then again, I'm on the right side...
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Looks like the EU has slaughtered Ireland's cash cow.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgwkwxr4eqo
“The Court of Justice gives final judgment in the matter and confirms the European Commission’s 2016 decision: Ireland granted Apple unlawful aid which Ireland is required to recover,” the court said.
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Mussels wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 10:18 am Looks like the EU has slaughtered Ireland's cash cow.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgwkwxr4eqo
“The Court of Justice gives final judgment in the matter and confirms the European Commission’s 2016 decision: Ireland granted Apple unlawful aid which Ireland is required to recover,” the court said.
About time too
Next go after Luxembourg

After the introduction of the new photo and finger print requirements, I am looking forward to all Irish citizens needing passports to come to the UK.
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Interesting how they are blaming whistleblowers, maybe they should blame the CPS for rigging evidence.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c05j4dng9q0t
BBC wrote:Lady Justice Thirlwall tells the hearing that since the Court of Appeal judgment rejecting Letby’s appeal was handed down, there has been a “huge outpouring of comment” from some quarters about the validity of her convictions.

Lady Thirlwall says this has come, as far as she is aware, almost entirely from people who did not attend the trial.

She says that “noise” has caused “enormous additional distress” to the parents of those babies.
The inquiry seems to be making assumptions and dismissing experts before it begins.
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Screwdriver wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 9:50 am
I think people get so entrenched in their polarised opinion, they can't even countenance the idea of taking "the other side" seriously.

I know I certainly am. Then again, I'm on the right side...
I don't have a side as such, I'm more of an interested observer having no dog in the fight that is US politics. I have a view on which side is the lesser of two evils but I'm more inclined to the 'democracy is dead' view than either of the apparent polar opposites. Social media has done much of the damage but, at the same time, nothing you or I say on here is going to shift so much as 1 American vote.

Having just read 'Politics on the Edge' by Rory Stewart it's confirmed my view that British politics is sick too. However, I don't believe that populists and chancers are the solution, more a greater sickness. No, I don't have the answers and the people that like to think they do haven't either.
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Screwdriver wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 9:38 am Oh I saw that non committal verbiage claiming Trump was worse than Biden.

Frankly I am surprised you would stand by that ridiculous opinion. Trump could stand at a podium in front of tens of thousands and extemporise for hours if the Democrats would stop shooting at him. Biden couldn't tell you what he had for breakfast without a teleprompter - "I'm not kidding".
Nitpicking. Elderley geezers make bad presidents - I said it 3 years ago, but my opinion is ridiculous and yours is apparently astute and learned. FFS.

Give us another prediction to shoot at because this is hilarious.
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Count Steer wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 10:50 am
Screwdriver wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 9:50 am
I think people get so entrenched in their polarised opinion, they can't even countenance the idea of taking "the other side" seriously.

I know I certainly am. Then again, I'm on the right side...
I don't have a side as such, I'm more of an interested observer having no dog in the fight that is US politics. I have a view on which side is the lesser of two evils but I'm more inclined to the 'democracy is dead' view than either of the apparent polar opposites. Social media has done much of the damage but, at the same time, nothing you or I say on here is going to shift so much as 1 American vote.

Having just read 'Politics on the Edge' by Rory Stewart it's confirmed my view that British politics is sick too. However, I don't believe that populists and chancers are the solution, more a greater sickness. No, I don't have the answers and the people that like to think they do haven't either.

Agree 100%. The rise of A.I. is just the icing on the cake. It has become so difficult to find any reliable source of true information it has become virtually pointless. Rather than worry about whether or not A.I. is self aware or conscious, we should be more worried about whether or not it is lying. Convincingly!

Many years ago you could tell if something was really cheap nasty tat from China because it would say "top quality" in the description.

Now you just have to look for "verified true" in a title to spot an opinion piece or blatant propaganda.
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Screwdriver wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 11:11 am It has become so difficult to find any reliable source of true information it has become virtually pointless. Rather than worry about whether or not A.I. is self aware or conscious, we should be more worried about whether or not it is lying. Convincingly!
Hold on, i thought the AI was taking over the world and bringing on the end of times about this time last year ? Now you're not worried about it.
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weeksy wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 11:17 am
Screwdriver wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 11:11 am It has become so difficult to find any reliable source of true information it has become virtually pointless. Rather than worry about whether or not A.I. is self aware or conscious, we should be more worried about whether or not it is lying. Convincingly!
Hold on, i thought the AI was taking over the world and bringing on the end of times about this time last year ? Now you're not worried about it.
Oh, I think the worry isn't about it becoming sentient and Terminator kicking off it's about the sentient minds that own it and what they do with it. Seems a reasonable concern to me!
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DefTrap wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 10:55 am Nitpicking. Elderley geezers make bad presidents - I said it 3 years ago, but my opinion is ridiculous and yours is apparently astute and learned. FFS.

Give us another prediction to shoot at because this is hilarious.
Well, apart from you, who exactly is suggesting my opinions are "astute or learned"?

Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth, Winston Churchill, Nelson Mandela, Margaret Thatcher, Noam Chomsky, David Attenborough, Frank Lloyd Wright. Old age is no indication of ability. It is entirely down to the individual.

Biden became cognitively impaired many years ago despite your insistence that he did not. He lost his mental acuity AND he was old, you might argue he lost his mental ability because he was old but that does not mean everybody does.

...and yes, for various reasons, I am somewhat interested in how brain function may decline over time.

You want a prediction? The Dems will have another pop at Trump before he becomes elected if only because he will be in office before they can delete all of the evidence for who was behind the last failed assassination. They literally have nothing to lose.

Too obvious? OK well, failing that, some new trumped up charges will emerge for them to throw him in jail prior to the election or just for the debate which would become a Kamala Harris election advert. Also an obvious ploy?

OK the BIG ONE I have been worried about for some time: if all else fails, history suggests a failing regime will deliberately start a war. It won't take much to tip Russia over the edge, a StormShadow in the heart of Moscow would do it...
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Screwdriver wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 11:37 am You want a prediction? The Dems will have another pop at Trump before he becomes elected if only because he will be in office before they can delete all of the evidence for who was behind the last failed assassination. They literally have nothing to lose.
It'd be worth it just to see the reaction :)
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Oh, I think the worry isn't about it becoming sentient and Terminator kicking off it's about the sentient minds that own it and what they do with it. Seems a reasonable concern to me!

AI is going to be a useful tool, and it will change the world. However if you believe it is going to make things better for the average punter you are deluded. Like virtually every game-changing invention before it it will be used by the very rich to make themselves even richer, it will be used by most big companies to manage with fewer people, it will be used by politicians to mislead their electorate, and it will be misused by criminals to scam people.

Computers have already changed the world. I can recall when they were predicted to free us from drudgery, most people were going to have a 3 day week and a 4 day weekend. That hasn't happened, but all of the above consequences have.
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Cousin Jack wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 11:48 am most people were going to have a 3 day week and a 4 day weekend. That hasn't happened, but all of the above consequences have.
Yeah fuck that, i'm not working 3 days !!!
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Count Steer wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 11:23 am
weeksy wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 11:17 am
Screwdriver wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 11:11 am It has become so difficult to find any reliable source of true information it has become virtually pointless. Rather than worry about whether or not A.I. is self aware or conscious, we should be more worried about whether or not it is lying. Convincingly!
Hold on, i thought the AI was taking over the world and bringing on the end of times about this time last year ? Now you're not worried about it.
Oh, I think the worry isn't about it becoming sentient and Terminator kicking off it's about the sentient minds that own it and what they do with it. Seems a reasonable concern to me!
It is a worry and things just got more complex. Zuckerberg has decided he can't compete with OpenAI/ChatGPT etc. in the closed source pay per view model - so he's going scorched earth and releasing his AI (Llama3), fully open source, including weights. That means everyone has access to what is currently the latest and greatest AI. You, me, the CCP, Iran, Russia...

So yeah, who "controls" or has access to these monumentally influential systems just became monumentally more numerous!

@weeksy I haven't said I am not worried, just that as things develop, another issue arises. We still do not know what effect A.I. is going to have as it becomes more and more connected. Nor does anyone know how these systems are being used currently but for example, I don't think Brazil would have been able to rig the election so easily without AI to make the numbers look at least plausible. Obviously mail-in/online voting with specifically Dominion voting machines was the key issue. Now Brazil is the most recent country to fall to totalitarianism, makes you wonder who's next.
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Screwdriver wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 12:00 pm Now Brazil is the most recent country to fall to totalitarianism, makes you wonder who's next.
It's a race! The US is becoming more polarized by the day, and the UK is not too far behind. France and Germany have got the message and are hurrying to catch up.
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