Who Will You Vote For?

[Bigjawa]

If you drive in the UK you don't have to carry your ID or any other 'paperwork'.

ID is one of those ideas that works fine until someone in uniform demands to see your ID, just because they can. I imagine quite a few people remember the demand for 'Papers!' from gentlemen in rather forbidding uniforms.

I do find I need my photo licence for more and more...even picking up a delivery from the Royal Mail depot (despite having the 'we tried to deliver' note in my hand).

If you drive a truck or bus you have to carry your CPC card.

[Noggin]

If you drive in the UK you don't have to carry your ID or any other 'paperwork'.

ID is one of those ideas that works fine until someone in uniform demands to see your ID, just because they can. I imagine quite a few people remember the demand for 'Papers!' from gentlemen in rather forbidding uniforms.

I do find I need my photo licence for more and more...even picking up a delivery from the Royal Mail depot (despite having the 'we tried to deliver' note in my hand).

And yet - occupied countries in europe, who actually did experience the demand for papers from the occupying forces (unlike the UK) seem to be ok with ID cards!

That's why I asked. I'm interested to find out why the country as a whole is so very anti the idea.

If I go to the doctor or hospital, I have to show my Health Card. This shows that my treatment is covered (70% or 100% if they also see my insurance) and so they know what to bill me. If someone goes without a health card, then they get billed 100%. But a French is still required to also carry an ID card - although that also allows them to travel across boarders in the EU without a passport, so it has other uses!!

I'm only interested. Moreso now the replies have included an experience that the UK didn't have (occupation), I just find the dislike of the idea weird!!

[MrLongbeard]

I just find the dislike of the idea weird!!

As I find the idea of having to carry id weird, it's just another control placed on you by 'the man'

[Mussels]

If you drive in the UK you don't have to carry your ID or any other 'paperwork'.

ID is one of those ideas that works fine until someone in uniform demands to see your ID, just because they can. I imagine quite a few people remember the demand for 'Papers!' from gentlemen in rather forbidding uniforms.

I do find I need my photo licence for more and more...even picking up a delivery from the Royal Mail depot (despite having the 'we tried to deliver' note in my hand).

And yet - occupied countries in europe, who actually did experience the demand for papers from the occupying forces (unlike the UK) seem to be ok with ID cards!

That's why I asked. I'm interested to find out why the country as a whole is so very anti the idea.

If I go to the doctor or hospital, I have to show my Health Card. This shows that my treatment is covered (70% or 100% if they also see my insurance) and so they know what to bill me. If someone goes without a health card, then they get billed 100%. But a French is still required to also carry an ID card - although that also allows them to travel across boarders in the EU without a passport, so it has other uses!!

I'm only interested. Moreso now the replies have included an experience that the UK didn't have (occupation), I just find the dislike of the idea weird!!

I can't think of a single reason why it would be necessary, why give authorities more power they can abuse?

[JackyJoll]

I just find the dislike of the idea weird!!!!

You’ve gone native, sur le Continong.

[Noggin]

I just find the dislike of the idea weird!!

As I find the idea of having to carry id weird, it's just another control placed on you by 'the man'

But you carry your driving licence with you? Surely that's a control?

If you drive in the UK you don't have to carry your ID or any other 'paperwork'.

ID is one of those ideas that works fine until someone in uniform demands to see your ID, just because they can. I imagine quite a few people remember the demand for 'Papers!' from gentlemen in rather forbidding uniforms.

I do find I need my photo licence for more and more...even picking up a delivery from the Royal Mail depot (despite having the 'we tried to deliver' note in my hand).

And yet - occupied countries in europe, who actually did experience the demand for papers from the occupying forces (unlike the UK) seem to be ok with ID cards!

That's why I asked. I'm interested to find out why the country as a whole is so very anti the idea.

If I go to the doctor or hospital, I have to show my Health Card. This shows that my treatment is covered (70% or 100% if they also see my insurance) and so they know what to bill me. If someone goes without a health card, then they get billed 100%. But a French is still required to also carry an ID card - although that also allows them to travel across boarders in the EU without a passport, so it has other uses!!

I'm only interested. Moreso now the replies have included an experience that the UK didn't have (occupation), I just find the dislike of the idea weird!!

I can't think of a single reason why it would be necessary, why give authorities more power they can abuse?

To vote? But then you can show a driving licence or passport I guess? In which case, what's the difference?

I just find the dislike of the idea weird!!!!

You’ve gone native, sur le Continong.

Oh I know I have - but I didn't understand the anti-ness before I moved here!!

[Yorick]

It's law here to carry driving licence when driving so always have it my wallet rather than forget it.
I have private health insurance so always need to carry my card as their NHS doesn't cover me.

And always carry my TIE card as never know when I'll need it. Everything is linked to the TIE card

None of this is a hardship.

[Saga Lout]

But you carry your driving licence with you? Surely that's a control?

Some of us choose to carry our driving licences, we don't have to. Presumably, a mandated ID card would have to be produced on demand (otherwise, why bother?) that's the sticking point.

[MrLongbeard]

But you carry your driving licence with you? Surely that's a control?

Sometime I do , sometimes I don't, that's choice not control. I could bury it in a drawer until it's due for renewal and not give it a second thought.

[Count Steer]

There's something of a principle involved when the State says 'In order to control crime and keep you safe we must assume everyone is a potential criminal'. Which is fine-ish if the State isn't corrupt and 'criminal' doesn't mean you want to kick them out.

Cards are a bit rubbish, people can leave them at home and fakes can be made. Who could possibly object if they were replaced with a little chip?..it works for pets. Similar principle - you have a unique identifier but you can't lose it or forget it. You wouldn't need to fumble for it in order to be scanned etc etc. You could be ID'd when you walk in through the door to, well, anywhere.

Anyone got a problem with that?

Maybe some aren't in a rush to hop on a slippery slope in a world where governments can change quite dramatically?

[Noggin]

But you carry your driving licence with you? Surely that's a control?

Some of us choose to carry our driving licences, we don't have to. Presumably, a mandated ID card would have to be produced on demand (otherwise, why bother?) that's the sticking point.

But if asked to produce it by, for instance, a traffic cop; you'd have to then go home and get it to take it to a police station, no?

There's something of a principle involved when the State says 'In order to control crime and keep you safe we must assume everyone is a potential criminal'. Which is fine-ish if the State isn't corrupt and 'criminal' doesn't mean you want to kick them out.

Cards are a bit rubbish, people can leave them at home and fakes can be made. Who could possibly object if they were replaced with a little chip?..it works for pets. Similar principle - you have a unique identifier but you can't lose it or forget it. You wouldn't need to fumble for it in order to be scanned etc etc. You could be ID'd when you walk in through the door to, well, anywhere.

Anyone got a problem with that?

Maybe some aren't in a rush to hop on a slippery slope in a world where governments can change quite dramatically?

Can't imagine the Fronch accepting a chip with the fuss they've made about the MOT for bikes! But an ID card is just carried and no one expects to be chipped in the near future (or the far future for that matter!!)

[Saga Lout]

But you carry your driving licence with you? Surely that's a control?

Some of us choose to carry our driving licences, we don't have to. Presumably, a mandated ID card would have to be produced on demand (otherwise, why bother?) that's the sticking point.

But if asked to produce it by, for instance, a traffic cop; you'd have to then go home and get it to take it to a police station, no?

IF I went out driving without my wallet.
AND a traffic cop had reason to ask for it.
THEN yes.

But if a traffic or other cop demanded it as I was walking down the street I would (probably politely) invite him to bugger off.

[Mussels]

Can't imagine the Fronch accepting a chip with the fuss they've made about the MOT for bikes! But an ID card is just carried and no one expects to be chipped in the near future(or the far future for that matter!!)

Did you expect Marine Le Pen to get popular so suddenly?

[Count Steer]

They don't really need to chip people anyway. People carry them around quite happily and get quite panic-stricken if they go out without them. There's far more data about you on the mobile phone than they'd get on a single chip.

Just need to make life difficult to survive without a mobile. Ah....

[irie]

I can't think of a single reason why it would be necessary, why give authorities more power they can abuse?

Exactly. It's not a question that they would currently be abused, it's a question that in the future they could be abused.

[irie]

Can't imagine the Fronch accepting a chip with the fuss they've made about the MOT for bikes! But an ID card is just carried and no one expects to be chipped in the near future (or the far future for that matter!!)

All those who've had Covid jabs are already chipped so no big deal of course.

[JackyJoll]

It's law here to carry driving licence when driving so always have it my wallet rather than forget it.
I have private health insurance so always need to carry my card as their NHS doesn't cover me.

And always carry my TIE card as never know when I'll need it. Everything is linked to the TIE card

None of this is a hardship.

Is a tie card like a cardboard shirt front?

[Noggin]

Can't imagine the Fronch accepting a chip with the fuss they've made about the MOT for bikes! But an ID card is just carried and no one expects to be chipped in the near future(or the far future for that matter!!)

Did you expect Marine Le Pen to get popular so suddenly?

Nope - but then I didn't expect the Brits to vote for Brexit! So what do I know! LOL

I was only asking, I don't have a massive opinion about it cos I will be required to carry an ID card if I get nationality and I automatically carry my passport card and driving licence anyway - and my health card and residency card. So it makes no difference to me I would have been happy to have one in the UK . Just wondered why people are so against it

They don't really need to chip people anyway. People carry them around quite happily and get quite panic-stricken if they go out without them. There's far more data about you on the mobile phone than they'd get on a single chip.

Just need to make life difficult to survive without a mobile. Ah....

But, that's part of my confusion. Most of life could be tracked so easily if 'someone/the man' wanted to - between phones, shop cards, credit cards etc. So whats the problem with an ID card that may or may not be asked for if there's an issue that you walk into/have?

[Saga Lout]

Can't imagine the Fronch accepting a chip with the fuss they've made about the MOT for bikes! But an ID card is just carried and no one expects to be chipped in the near future(or the far future for that matter!!)

Did you expect Marine Le Pen to get popular so suddenly?

Nope - but then I didn't expect the Brits to vote for Brexit! So what do I know! LOL

I was only asking, I don't have a massive opinion about it cos I will be required to carry an ID card if I get nationality and I automatically carry my passport card and driving licence anyway - and my health card and residency card. So it makes no difference to me I would have been happy to have one in the UK . Just wondered why people are so against it

They don't really need to chip people anyway. People carry them around quite happily and get quite panic-stricken if they go out without them. There's far more data about you on the mobile phone than they'd get on a single chip.

Just need to make life difficult to survive without a mobile. Ah....

But, that's part of my confusion. Most of life could be tracked so easily if 'someone/the man' wanted to - between phones, shop cards, credit cards etc. So whats the problem with an ID card that may or may not be asked for if there's an issue that you walk into/have?

“The best way to take control over a people and control them utterly is to take a little of their freedom at a time, to erode rights by a thousand tiny and almost imperceptible reductions. In this way, the people will not see those rights and freedoms being removed until past the point at which these changes cannot be reversed.”
Pat Miller, Willfully Ignorant

We have been gradually losing our freedoms for many years, mostly "for our own safety". The erosion of our freedoms should be resisted at every step, whether it affects us personally or not.

[Taipan]

It's law here to carry driving licence when driving so always have it my wallet rather than forget it.
I have private health insurance so always need to carry my card as their NHS doesn't cover me.

And always carry my TIE card as never know when I'll need it. Everything is linked to the TIE card

None of this is a hardship.

I didn't know what a TIE card is so looked it up. In case anyone else didn't know...

What is the TIE and what is it used for?
TIE stands for tarjeta de identidad de extranjero, or foreigner ID card. As its name suggests, it’s a document that proves that a foreigner is living legally in Spain. The card includes personal data, a photograph, and the holder’s NIE (número de identidad de extranjero, or foreigner ID number). It also states the type of residence permit that the cardholder has. Although it’s a unique and non-transferrable document, it does also allow you to register any children under the age of 18 or disabled children, if necessary.

The TIE is simply proof that a foreigner is authorized to live in Spain. Therefore, you should try to always have it on hand in case you have to prove your legal status in Spain.