2024 General Election

[MrLongbeard]

What about the poor buggers who work in the smokey bacon crisp factory?

Presumably they risk ODing on bacon flavour.

And that's what kicked of the diacetyl brouhaha, mostly factory workers getting popcorn lung, rather than putting measures in place at the work place it was heavily restricted for consumer products

[Mr. Dazzle]

TBF the first and most effective rung on any HSE type risk reduction ladder stuff is "remove" innit.

So if there are alternatives to product X the first port of call is always gonna be "do we actually need to use product X?", right? I have no idea what Diacetyl even is, or where it's used in consumer products BTW, but removing it from products removes it from factories and is therefore the best possible solution for the factory workers.

Might be a bit shoddy for consumers, no idea, see above

[MrLongbeard]

TBF the first and most effective rung on any HSE type risk reduction ladder stuff is "remove" innit.

So if there are alternatives to product X the first port of call is always gonna be "do we actually need to use product X?", right? I have no idea what Diacetyl even is, or where it's used in consumer products BTW, but removing it from products removes it from factories and is therefore the best possible solution for the factory workers.

Might be a bit shoddy for consumers, no idea, see above

Yeah, but makes life awfully boring.
FYI, the clue as to it's use is in the name of the disease it causes, it gives food / other stuff a lovely buttery taste, so was most commonly used in microwave popcorn

[Mr. Dazzle]

I was thinking it might because it makes your breathing sound like you're making popcorn

[Cousin Jack]

Do I GAS?

I dislike both popcorn and smoky bacon favoured crisps.

[Mr. Dazzle]

give this a whirl then!

[Cousin Jack]

give this a whirl then!

Yuck!

[MrLongbeard]

Do I GAS?

I dislike both popcorn and smoky bacon favoured crisps.

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[Cousin Jack]

It's OK, Dazzle is championing the case for popcorn AND smokey bacon flavouring.

[MrLongbeard]

It's OK, Dazzle is championing the case for popcorn AND smokey bacon flavouring.

Meh, I prefer salty popcorn and salt n vinegar crips, but they've got to be in the right colour packet, green obvs.

[Horse]

TBF the first and most effective rung on any HSE type risk reduction ladder stuff is "remove" innit.

Derail

Although out of fashion, I like ERIC (fully ERIC PD).
Eliminate
Reduce
Isolate
Control

[JackyJoll]

TBF the first and most effective rung on any HSE type risk reduction ladder stuff is "remove" innit.

Derail

Although out of fashion, I like ERIC (fully ERIC PD).
Eliminate
Reduce
Isolate
Control

Punishment
Death.

[Horse]

Punishment
Death.

There's a saying that "you can't punish safety into people". But death has a low reoffending rate. Very low.

[Mr Moofo]

I have no idea what Diacetyl even is, or where it's used in consumer products BTW, but removing it from products removes it from factories and is therefore the best possible solution for the factory workers.

Might be a bit shoddy for consumers, no idea, see above

Diacetyl is a componant of butter - and hence was used in the flavour industry. But at high concentrations (1000x what you would find in popcorn) caused popcorn lung.
I spend 4 year sitting next to a plant making acetaldhyde - we were really worried the flash point and explosion risk.
But that do was banned as carcinogenic. It used to go into about every fruit soft drink in the world.

[Mr Moofo]

TBF the first and most effective rung on any HSE type risk reduction ladder stuff is "remove" innit.

Derail

Although out of fashion, I like ERIC (fully ERIC PD).
Eliminate
Reduce
Isolate
Control

Obviously other than alcohol, smoking tobacco, smoking anything else, having bonfires, vaping and dangerous sports

[Mr. Dazzle]

There's a difference between what people choose to do themselves and what they have to do at work though.

If someone said "you have to smoke 60 a day to work here" I'd probably complain That doesn't mean I want to ban smoking necessarily.

It's just a different situation and a different argument.

[JackyJoll]

Risk assessments make complete sense when they’re done by sensible people.

[Horse]

Risk assessments make complete sense when they’re done by sensible people.

Thank you

A nerd comments: in some ways, despite the imposition of having to do them, I found them to be a useful mental 'pause', where I could work through the planned activities, identifying every opportunity for it to go wrong, etc.

[Mr Moofo]

There's a difference between what people choose to do themselves and what they have to do at work though.

If someone said "you have to smoke 60 a day to work here" I'd probably complain That doesn't mean I want to ban smoking necessarily.

It's just a different situation and a different argument.

Hmm, remind me of visiting the cigarette companies …

[Mr. Dazzle]

My old boss was an ex BAT employee.

He was also an ex smoker.

Certain timings coincided.