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This time next year, President Trump moves back into the Whitehouse...
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Sure. You want simple soundbites: with Trump in office, there is less chance of us having a world war 3.
That's a biggie for me and anything else really pales into insignificance.
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Trump is practicing for the debate by going to nursing homes and talking to patients with dementia.
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Is that what he's campaigning on? That would be awesome.Screwdriver wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 8:27 pm Sure. You want simple soundbites: with Trump in office, there is less chance of us having a world war 3.
Maybe if he could talk about policies rather than how he's the best at everything and the pros and cons of shark attack versus electrocution I could take him more seriously.
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It was pretty amazing that he managed to get in and have a chat with Kim Jong Un! Putin is allegedly prepared to talk to him too. Considering he isn't a diplomat, he has a pretty amazing talent at opening doors to these regimes!Screwdriver wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 8:27 pmSure. You want simple soundbites: with Trump in office, there is less chance of us having a world war 3.
That's a biggie for me and anything else really pales into insignificance.
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Kim Wrong'un and Putain recognise a kindred spirit when they see one...Taipan wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 10:53 amIt was pretty amazing that he managed to get in and have a chat with Kim Jong Un! Putin is allegedly prepared to talk to him too. Considering he isn't a diplomat, he has a pretty amazing talent at opening doors to these regimes!Screwdriver wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 8:27 pmSure. You want simple soundbites: with Trump in office, there is less chance of us having a world war 3.
That's a biggie for me and anything else really pales into insignificance.
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Re: This time next year, President Trump moves back into the Whitehouse...
Apologies totally ballsed up the quotes before
It seems Trump would only avoid WW3 by confining it to Europe and not getting involved in anything outside America.
I'm interested to hear Trumps take on Taiwan since it gets so many chips from there but I've not been looking for it to be fair.
While there are Trump fans saying he will stop the war with overwhelming support for Ukraine, I haven't seen Trump say that. What I have seen is Trump berating Zelensky as 'the best salesman in the world, every time he shows up he walks away with $60bn and he's going to stop that. So yes Putin would favour a man who will give him what he wants and who has already encouraged him to attack any NATO country not meeting it's financial commitments.
It seems Trump would only avoid WW3 by confining it to Europe and not getting involved in anything outside America.
I'm interested to hear Trumps take on Taiwan since it gets so many chips from there but I've not been looking for it to be fair.
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It's pretty easy to get 'in' with those types when you're makng such a show about giving them what they want Trump's been pretty vocal about how he doesn't want to support Ukraine and is cold on NATO.Taipan wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 10:53 amIt was pretty amazing that he managed to get in and have a chat with Kim Jong Un! Putin is allegedly prepared to talk to him too. Considering he isn't a diplomat, he has a pretty amazing talent at opening doors to these regimes!Screwdriver wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 8:27 pmSure. You want simple soundbites: with Trump in office, there is less chance of us having a world war 3.
That's a biggie for me and anything else really pales into insignificance.
Putin would like nothing more than Trump in the white house, Putin is the shrewd operator Trump thinks he is
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Trump says the first phone call he makes when he gets back into the Whitehouse is to Putin & Zelensky. I expect he will, so lets see if he does!Ian wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 12:44 pm Apologies totally ballsed up the quotes beforeWhile there are Trump fans saying he will stop the war with overwhelming support for Ukraine, I haven't seen Trump say that. What I have seen is Trump berating Zelensky as 'the best salesman in the world, every time he shows up he walks away with $60bn and he's going to stop that. So yes Putin would favour a man who will give him what he wants and who has already encouraged him to attack any NATO country not meeting it's financial commitments.
It seems Trump would only avoid WW3 by confining it to Europe and not getting involved in anything outside America.
I'm interested to hear Trumps take on Taiwan since it gets so many chips from there but I've not been looking for it to be fair.
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I mean...as deals ago, it's not exactly Kissinger levels of state craft is it? I could have come up with this and I can't even negotiate anything off the price of a new car.
Trump plans to end the war by giving Putin exactly what he wants
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump- ... 024-06-25/
"WASHINGTON, June 25 (Reuters) - Two key advisers to Donald Trump have presented him with a plan to end Russia's war in Ukraine - if he wins the Nov. 5 presidential election - that involves telling Ukraine it will only get more U.S. weapons if it enters peace talks.
The United States would at the same time warn Moscow that any refusal to negotiate would result in increased U.S. support f
for Ukraine, retired Lieutenant General Keith Kellogg, one of Trump's national security advisers, said in an interview.
Under the plan drawn up by Kellogg and Fred Fleitz, who both served as chiefs of staff in Trump's National Security Council during his 2017-2021 presidency, there would be a ceasefire based on prevailing battle lines during peace talks, Fleitz said.
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Trump plans to end the war by giving Putin exactly what he wants
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump- ... 024-06-25/
"WASHINGTON, June 25 (Reuters) - Two key advisers to Donald Trump have presented him with a plan to end Russia's war in Ukraine - if he wins the Nov. 5 presidential election - that involves telling Ukraine it will only get more U.S. weapons if it enters peace talks.
The United States would at the same time warn Moscow that any refusal to negotiate would result in increased U.S. support f
for Ukraine, retired Lieutenant General Keith Kellogg, one of Trump's national security advisers, said in an interview.
Under the plan drawn up by Kellogg and Fred Fleitz, who both served as chiefs of staff in Trump's National Security Council during his 2017-2021 presidency, there would be a ceasefire based on prevailing battle lines during peace talks, Fleitz said.
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Call 1: 'I'll sort it boss'.Taipan wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 2:07 pmTrump says the first phone call he makes when he gets back into the Whitehouse is to Putin & Zelensky. I expect he will, so lets see if he does!Ian wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 12:44 pm Apologies totally ballsed up the quotes beforeWhile there are Trump fans saying he will stop the war with overwhelming support for Ukraine, I haven't seen Trump say that. What I have seen is Trump berating Zelensky as 'the best salesman in the world, every time he shows up he walks away with $60bn and he's going to stop that. So yes Putin would favour a man who will give him what he wants and who has already encouraged him to attack any NATO country not meeting it's financial commitments.
It seems Trump would only avoid WW3 by confining it to Europe and not getting involved in anything outside America.
I'm interested to hear Trumps take on Taiwan since it gets so many chips from there but I've not been looking for it to be fair.
Call 2: 'You're toast'.
Call 3: 'Take as much as you like boss, Latvia?, Estonia? No worries. By the way, where are they?'.
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Putin doesn't seem to me to be the sort of guy who'll go into peace talks from a position of strength - why would he? If he's going to talk peace it's because he's not doing very well and wants to minimise the effects of a protracted conflict.
The next stage will be accusations of Nazism in Lithuania and Kaliningrad will need saving.
That implies the the becoming great again USA will be telling Zelensky to accept those parts of Ukraine under Russian control will be ceded to Russia. I doubt Zelensky will accept that.Under the plan drawn up by Kellogg and Fred Fleitz, who both served as chiefs of staff in Trump's National Security Council during his 2017-2021 presidency, there would be a ceasefire based on prevailing battle lines during peace talks, Fleitz said.
The next stage will be accusations of Nazism in Lithuania and Kaliningrad will need saving.
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Easy to say that but based on what evidence? There's a very short list of Western leaders who are able to visit Putin or Kimjon. I can't think of any. Didn't peace break out in the middle east under Trump until the Biden admin tore it apart before handing billions to Iran who promptly invade Israel. yeah I am being loose with the terminology but that's the gist of it.Mr. Dazzle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 12:51 pm It's pretty easy to get 'in' with those types when you're makng such a show about giving them what they want Trump's been pretty vocal about how he doesn't want to support Ukraine and is cold on NATO.
Putin would like nothing more than Trump in the white house, Putin is the shrewd operator Trump thinks he is
What exactly are "we" supporting in Ukraine anyway? What is the plan? Is there an actual objective? Clearly those in charge of the Biden administration would like the war to go on forever. You know there's a ten year plan for funding the war in Ukraine? Ten years of billions of taxpayers dollars bouncing out of one of the most corrupt regimes in the world and into the pockets of the already super rich.
You got to laugh. There's even talk of trying to come up with a new law that would stop the President of the USA from controlling military spending and US involvement in the NATO "alliance". So long as his name is Trump.
Putin is, sadly, a very devious chap. Clever even. Obviously also a pathological criminal thug of the worst kind. Trump is not the idiot the mainstream media attempt to portray. He's a street wise businessman from New York. Yes he is also an asshole and narcissist but if that narcissism means he wants to be remembered as "the best president ever", then his heart is in the right place.
Under Biden, the USA blew up Nordstream2. Blew up my fuel bills too. The general populace (that's you and me) are always the losers. Higher gas prices just means higher profits for the utilities. More war just means more money for the military.
So let me nail my colours to the mast here; if I was given the choice of having my utilities bill cut in half OR "save' Ukraine from the evil dictator Putin and hand it back to Zelensky/BlackRock, I wouldn't have to think too hard about it. The current Zelensky regime is just as bad as Putin except he is "sponsored" by the West so that western globalist/corporatist elites can make even more money and exert even more authoritarian control.
Now if I thought I might personally benefit from that then, yeah, let's do the right thing and engineer a peaceful, westernised democracy in Ukraine. Neither of those scenarios are likely though. In fact, this conflict is just going to accelerate wealth transfer to the super rich and drive the middle class into poverty. It's not a democracy either if there's only one name on the ballot, just a slice of the old USSR dressed up to look like a one...
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Well what is your solution then?Mr. Dazzle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 2:40 pm I mean...as deals ago, it's not exactly Kissinger levels of state craft is it? I could have come up with this and I can't even negotiate anything off the price of a new car.
Kick Russia out of Ukraine and the Crimea?
I would agree with the sentiment right up until Putin declares war on the West. We've asked nicely. threatened with sanctions. What's next? Boots on the ground?
We really are on the brink here. The powers that be in the USA are stirring it up deliberately if you ask me. I think they want a war and are trying to goad Putin into starting it...
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In reality the West is already at war with Putin/Russia in Ukraine, and Putin knows it.Screwdriver wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 5:02 pm We really are on the brink here. The powers that be in the USA are stirring it up deliberately if you ask me. I think they want a war and are trying to goad Putin into starting it...
Putin has made it perfectly clear in writing that his agenda after 're-absorbing' Ukraine into the Russian federation will be to do exactly the same to the now independent countries that were previously members of the USSR.
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Just flipped channels & caught about a minute of the debate, it was 10 minutes in, Biden is already falling apart & talking absolute nonsense. No way in hell he's going to make 90 minutes.
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Been flipping between MASH & the debate. CNN just cut the camera showing Biden after he dozed off on his feet about an hour in. Fucking BUSTED!
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The BBC coverage was pretty bland, the only thing they mentioned of note was Biden's cognitive issues.
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Aye perfect match against trumpy
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One imagines that the Democrats are fuck unless they can replace him.
He is shot!
He is shot!