Who Will You Vote For?
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Part privatisation by stealth, part fantasist wishlist.
Coming from your friendly far-right Torygraph (soon to be renamed Reformograph).
This shit is just so predictable.
Coming from your friendly far-right Torygraph (soon to be renamed Reformograph).
This shit is just so predictable.
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There's none so blind as those who will NOT see.mangocrazy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2024 8:58 pm Part privatisation by stealth, part fantasist wishlist.
Coming from your friendly far-right Torygraph (soon to be renamed Reformograph).
This shit is just so predictable.
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Oh, I see you Nigel Farage - I see you all right. Trying, one step at a time, to turn the UK's crown jewels into the horrific mess that is the USA's insurance-bedevilled (lack of) health system.
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Have a word with Wes Streeting.mangocrazy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2024 9:07 pm Oh, I see you Nigel Farage - I see you all right. Trying, one step at a time, to turn the UK's crown jewels into the horrific mess that is the USA's insurance-bedevilled (lack of) health system.
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I make no comment on the privatisation thing, but should we be listening to medical experts on what's wrong with the NHS organisation? Isn't that a bit like asking CEOs about brain surgery?
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Jaffa?Mr. Dazzle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2024 4:30 pm Well...where do you think them oranges in Tescos are from?
That's in Israel, isn't it?
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The trouble is the NHS isn't working. We have people living on pain management because they're waiting for operations. I got an emergency referral to respiratory medical services at our local hospital; see you on the 24th of September then. No one wants the NHS to fail, but it is and something needs to change. I don't know what the answer is, but like many others I know the question alright.
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If not "medical experts" who do you think should be asked "what's wrong with the NHS organisation"?Mr. Dazzle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2024 9:26 pmI make no comment on the privatisation thing, but should we be listening to medical experts on what's wrong with the NHS organisation? Isn't that a bit like asking CEOs about brain surgery?
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No, some are from ChulakSaga Lout wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2024 9:29 pmJaffa?Mr. Dazzle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2024 4:30 pm Well...where do you think them oranges in Tescos are from?
That's in Israel, isn't it?
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No, it's not. And one of the biggest failures is cancer care which is an issue close to Karol Sikora's heart. This is from a media organ not widely reputed to be a "Reformograph" (c) Mangocrazy.Taipan wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2024 9:35 pm The trouble is the NHS isn't working. We have people living on pain management because they're waiting for operations. I got an emergency referral to respiratory medical services at our local hospital; see you on the 24th of September then. No one wants the NHS to fail, but it is and something needs to change. I don't know what the answer is, but like many others I know the question alright.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... rld-report
UK has some of worst cancer survival rates in developed world, report says
Rates for lung, liver, brain, oesophageal, pancreatic and stomach cancers worse than in most comparable nations.
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Out of 33 countries of comparable wealth and income levels, the UK ranks as low as 28th for five-year survival of both stomach and lung cancer, 26th for pancreatic cancer, 25th for brain cancer and 21st and 16th for liver and oesophageal cancers respectively.
The six cancers account for nearly half of all common cancer deaths in the UK and more than 90,000 people are diagnosed with one of them in Britain every year.
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Mr. Dazzle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2024 9:26 pmI make no comment on the privatisation thing, but should we be listening to medical experts on what's wrong with the NHS organisation? Isn't that a bit like asking CEOs about brain surgery?
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I still really don't have a clue who to vote for- I've been a life-ling conservative voter, but I definitely won't be voting that way this time.
There are show-stoppers with both Labour and LibDem manifestos for me, and I must admit, I didn't realise that the SDP were still in existence until I saw this. Current thinking is I'll spoil my paper.
These are four bits of tat that came in the post yesterday, the two on the right are both from the Conservatives, one of them personalized for every voter, first time I've ever seen that....
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There are show-stoppers with both Labour and LibDem manifestos for me, and I must admit, I didn't realise that the SDP were still in existence until I saw this. Current thinking is I'll spoil my paper.
These are four bits of tat that came in the post yesterday, the two on the right are both from the Conservatives, one of them personalized for every voter, first time I've ever seen that....
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I've taken the image out. @Tricky Apols if you're not bothered but it's usually an oversight so I thought it best).
PS The current SDP aren't quite what the original one was. A rump didn't go with the Liberal merger inc. David Owen but they eventually dissolved the party. A bunch then started it up again. They're quite Labour in some ways and a bit UKIP'y in others. Former boss of the Today programme, Rod Liddle is a member. The only official they've had was, iirc, a Euro-parliament UKIP defector.
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Reform DO have some good ideas, on the NHS, and on other important stuff. Dismissing it as 'privatisation' is not helpful to anyone.
My concern is that I have heard many, many good ideas, and promises from several parties over the years. I need to be convinced that Reform can actually deliver. Farage and a bunch of unknowns can talk the talk, can they walk the walk? So far Farage has never actually delivered anything.
My concern is that I have heard many, many good ideas, and promises from several parties over the years. I need to be convinced that Reform can actually deliver. Farage and a bunch of unknowns can talk the talk, can they walk the walk? So far Farage has never actually delivered anything.
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Farage insisted Brexit was a great thing whatever, now he's blaming the government for a 'bad' Brexit. He could have got away with it if he kept quiet but he's blaming the government for something he did, I'm not listening to any of his suggestions.Cousin Jack wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 8:31 am Reform DO have some good ideas, on the NHS, and on other important stuff. Dismissing it as 'privatisation' is not helpful to anyone.
My concern is that I have heard many, many good ideas, and promises from several parties over the years. I need to be convinced that Reform can actually deliver. Farage and a bunch of unknowns can talk the talk, can they walk the walk? So far Farage has never actually delivered anything.
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Apart from a fat salary and a handy lump in the pension pot as an MEP (where he rarely showed up apart from a bit of soundbite stuff). When he's an MP (I expect him to win Clacton) I don't suppose he'll turn up in parliamentary sessions much after the initial bit of theatre* and Clacton will be 'Nigel who?' within a few weeks. But, kerrrrrching! yet again.Cousin Jack wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 8:31 am Reform DO have some good ideas, on the NHS, and on other important stuff. Dismissing it as 'privatisation' is not helpful to anyone.
My concern is that I have heard many, many good ideas, and promises from several parties over the years. I need to be convinced that Reform can actually deliver. Farage and a bunch of unknowns can talk the talk, can they walk the walk? So far Farage has never actually delivered anything.
*behind the scenes may be another matter.
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Ah cheers @cheb and @Count Steer missed that oneCount Steer wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 8:17 amI've taken the image out. @Tricky Apols if you're not bothered but it's usually an oversight so I thought it best).
PS The current SDP aren't quite what the original one was. A rump didn't go with the Liberal merger inc. David Owen but they eventually dissolved the party. A bunch then started it up again. They're quite Labour in some ways and a bit UKIP'y in others. Former boss of the Today programme, Rod Liddle is a member. The only official they've had was, iirc, a Euro-parliament UKIP defector.
Amended attached for anyone who my be interested
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He's rushed into this and not even thought about doing any due diligence. 40 Reform candidates have verifiable links to nutty facists because they lazily dogwhistled some extra likes from fellow crazies, and were too ignorant to tidy up their social medias or understand that the telly media will have a field day with it.Cousin Jack wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 8:31 am Farage and a bunch of unknowns can talk the talk, can they walk the walk? So far Farage has never actually delivered anything.
Either way, even the level of investigative journalism available on ITV Breakfast managed to tear Farage a new one FFS.
You can't expect anyone to take you seriously if you leave yourself wide open like that. His TV appearances don't need to be all about him defending the indefensible. Unless that's the plan all along, play the martyr like Trump.