Who Will You Vote For?

[irie]

Quite funny watching people who think that British politics is shit diss a party which wants to Reform [sic] British politics in a way which is not on the traditional Left-Right spectrum. A third way if you wish.

A vote for Conservative, Labour, LibDem, Green, WHY is a vote for more of the same shit we've had to endure for the last 30 years.

[Taipan]

Quite funny watching people who think that British politics is shit diss a party which wants to Reform [sic] British politics in a way which is not on the traditional Left-Right spectrum. A third way if you wish.

A vote for Conservative, Labour, LibDem, Green, WHY is a vote for more of the same shit we've had to endure for the last 30 years.

Pretty much where I'm at. We need to break the same old 2 party cycle. What I am surprised at, is some of the Labour voters I know have jumped to RUK!

[irie]

Quite funny watching people who think that British politics is shit diss a party which wants to Reform [sic] British politics in a way which is not on the traditional Left-Right spectrum. A third way if you wish.

A vote for Conservative, Labour, LibDem, Green, WHY is a vote for more of the same shit we've had to endure for the last 30 years.

Pretty much where I'm at. We need to break the same old 2 party cycle. What I am surprised at, is some of the Labour voters I know have jumped to RUK!

A vote for Labour (and for the Conservatives and LibDems) is a vote for the same tired old shit. They can shove it.

[Mussels]

I looked through my local candidates and the one that caught my eye is an independent who says he's never been interested in politics but stood as a he doesn't like any of the parties. There's a whiff of Trump about him so probably not.

[Horse]

Quite funny watching people who think that British politics is shit diss a party which wants to Reform [sic] British politics in a way which is not on the traditional Left-Right spectrum. A third way if you wish.

If that text Tiepan posted is anywhere near true, the third way is totally undeliverable unfunded promises.

Funny watching? I suppose it could be - but a very hollow laugh.

Actually, empty promises? Sounds convincingly like many other current politicians. Nothing new to see or hear.

Remind us how many of Boris' "40 new hospitals" have been built, or are even under construction.

etc etc etc

[Mr. Dazzle]

Like I said up there ^^^ (probably) "anything but this" is a pretty poor way to make a judgement. If you can't imagine things being worse your parents probably didn't read to you as a child

Or maybe you're actually an AI. It's 2024 after all.

Reform aren't a 3rd way anyway, they're just out Torying the Tories.

[Rockburner]

Like I said up there ^^^ (probably) "anything but this" is a pretty poor way to make a judgement. If you can't imagine things being worse your parents probably didn't read to you as a child

Or maybe you're actually an AI. It's 2024 after all.

Reform aren't a 3rd way anyway, they're just out Torying the Tories.

The impression i get is that Reform are just the Tories without the endearing humanitarianism, overwhelming sense of honour and rationality, and respect for the general public.

[mangocrazy]

The NHS would be even less safe in Reform's hands than it has been in the hands of the Tories. Farage has consistently argued that the NHS 'needs to move to an insurance-backed model'.

But as they're only projected to win a handful of seats that isn't a problem. Yet.

[irie]

The NHS would be even less safe in Reform's hands than it has been in the hands of the Tories. Farage has consistently argued that the NHS 'needs to move to an insurance-backed model'.

But as they're only projected to win a handful of seats that isn't a problem. Yet.

Blimey, this old chestnut about saving the NHS has been debated to death in other threads. The NHS model is obsolete, it is increasingly dysfunctional, it is dead just like Monty Pythons parrot sketch.

Probably doesn't matter to the likes of people like you who have houses in southern France, but to the very many far less well off it really does matter a great deal.

[mangocrazy]

The NHS would be even less safe in Reform's hands than it has been in the hands of the Tories. Farage has consistently argued that the NHS 'needs to move to an insurance-backed model'.

But as they're only projected to win a handful of seats that isn't a problem. Yet.

Blimey, this old chestnut about saving the NHS has been debated to death in other threads. The NHS model is obsolete, it is increasingly dysfunctional, it is dead just like Monty Pythons parrot sketch.

Probably doesn't matter to the likes of people like you who have houses in southern France, but to the very many far less well off it really does matter a great deal.

The NHS model of a health service that is free at the point of use is as valid as it ever has been, it's just that it's been treated as a political football by administrations of every stripe and has been chronically underfunded, marginalised and subject to creeping privatisation by the Tory govt of the last 14 years.

My house in France is a holiday home. I'm a UK resident, retired and the future of the NHS is of the greatest concern to me.

[irie]

The NHS would be even less safe in Reform's hands than it has been in the hands of the Tories. Farage has consistently argued that the NHS 'needs to move to an insurance-backed model'.

But as they're only projected to win a handful of seats that isn't a problem. Yet.

Blimey, this old chestnut about saving the NHS has been debated to death in other threads. The NHS model is obsolete, it is increasingly dysfunctional, it is dead just like Monty Pythons parrot sketch.

Probably doesn't matter to the likes of people like you who have houses in southern France, but to the very many far less well off it really does matter a great deal.

The NHS model of a health service that is free at the point of use is as valid as it ever has been, it's just that it's been treated as a political football by administrations of every stripe and has been chronically underfunded, marginalised and subject to creeping privatisation by the Tory govt of the last 14 years.

My house in France is a holiday home. I'm a UK resident, retired and the future of the NHS is of the greatest concern to me.

The NHS model was predicated upon the use of GPs as the primary source of triage and treatment prior to making referrals to hospitals. Increasing population mobility and large scale immigration from countries that have no similar GP service have rendered this system obsolete, so people go to A&E. Times have changed rendering the system obsolete and no longer fit for the purpose. Chucking money at it will not change this. The model must change.

The Tories are not alone being responsible for the failure of the NHS, Labour are also culpable - just look at what they did with PFI's!

And as for your comment about your house in France being a holiday home, the point you missed was that if necessary you will have the money to self fund medical care, as we also can.

[Mussels]

I'm not convinced the NHS is worse, it's probably got better and better over the years at looking after people's health.
Medicine has turned into a bigger industry consuming more resources which are compounded by people living longer, so we have more people demanding a more expensive service. Maybe people are just expecting a lot more than they used to.

[Yambo]

I'm not convinced the NHS is worse, it's probably got better and better over the years at looking after people's health.
Medicine has turned into a bigger industry consuming more resources which are compounded by people living longer, so we have more people demanding a more expensive service. Maybe people are just expecting a lot more than they used to.

One area where the National HEALTH Service has failed consistently is in the promotion of good health. It is a repair service and as it hasn't been true to it's original concept it is now failing as a repair service because more and more people are in the queue for repairs.

Despite it's overwhelming majority of managers compared to frontline staff is is appalingly managed. As irie says "Chucking money at it will not change this. The model must change."

I was taking people to Dalaman airport yesterday and whilst negotiating a very busy Marmaris (it's Kurban Bayramı so as well as the usual tourists the whole area is full of Turks from Istanbul, Ankara and Izmir) my passengers commented that it is easy to pick out the Brits. The majority are obese and this has got to be a huge (self inflicted) burden on the NHS simply because obesity never arrives on its own.

[irie]

I'm not convinced the NHS is worse, it's probably got better and better over the years at looking after people's health.
Medicine has turned into a bigger industry consuming more resources which are compounded by people living longer, so we have more people demanding a more expensive service. Maybe people are just expecting a lot more than they used to.

Add this to the list.

[irie]

I'm not convinced the NHS is worse, it's probably got better and better over the years at looking after people's health.
Medicine has turned into a bigger industry consuming more resources which are compounded by people living longer, so we have more people demanding a more expensive service. Maybe people are just expecting a lot more than they used to.

One area where the National HEALTH Service has failed consistently is in the promotion of good health. It is a repair service and as it hasn't been true to it's original concept it is now failing as a repair service because more and more people are in the queue for repairs.

Despite it's overwhelming majority of managers compared to frontline staff is is appalingly managed. As irie says "Chucking money at it will not change this. The model must change."

I was taking people to Dalaman airport yesterday and whilst negotiating a very busy Marmaris (it's Kurban Bayramı so as well as the usual tourists the whole area is full of Turks from Istanbul, Ankara and Izmir) my passengers commented that it is easy to pick out the Brits. The majority are obese and this has got to be a huge (self inflicted) burden on the NHS simply because obesity never arrives on its own.

Add this to the list.

[Count Steer]

I'm not convinced the NHS is worse, it's probably got better and better over the years at looking after people's health.
Medicine has turned into a bigger industry consuming more resources which are compounded by people living longer, so we have more people demanding a more expensive service. Maybe people are just expecting a lot more than they used to.

One area where the National HEALTH Service has failed consistently is in the promotion of good health. It is a repair service and as it hasn't been true to it's original concept it is now failing as a repair service because more and more people are in the queue for repairs.

Despite it's overwhelming majority of managers compared to frontline staff is is appalingly managed. As irie says "Chucking money at it will not change this. The model must change."

I was taking people to Dalaman airport yesterday and whilst negotiating a very busy Marmaris (it's Kurban Bayramı so as well as the usual tourists the whole area is full of Turks from Istanbul, Ankara and Izmir) my passengers commented that it is easy to pick out the Brits. The majority are obese and this has got to be a huge (self inflicted) burden on the NHS simply because obesity never arrives on its own.

That's a little unfair on the NHS. I just happen to be reading a publication 'The Essentials if Human Nutrition' (yeah, a bit of light reading ) and it has this to say about 'Prevention of Obesity'...

...preventative approaches offer the only meaningful long-term solution to reversing the worldwide epidemic of obesity. Many approaches have been tried to date, but thus far no country has been able to reverse the escalating rates as a whole. However, the fact that there is now less overweight in those of higher socioeconomic status in Western societies shows that despite the role of genetic factors, obesity is partially preventable.

It goes on to say that desirable things include reduced consumption of sugary drinks and more exercise for children and a correct approach to nutrition and eating in the curriculum and school canteen. So, facilities for exercise are required and appropriate food choices at reasonable cost etc etc.

Raising socioeconomic status and all the other things that might work seem way outside the remit of the NHS.

[Yambo]

Raising socioeconomic status and all the other things that might work seem way outside the remit of the NHS.

The NHS is government funded out of the taxes we pay so it is certainly not outside the remit of the NHS to push the need for improving overall fitness and other aspects of a healthy lifestyle. The NHS does absolutely nothing with our money to tell people how to be generally more healthy.

If it is government policy (and it seems to be so) that people should be fatter and unhealthy then it is also the NHS's policy.

The UK is supposedly one of the wealthiest nations on the planet - or was. What has the money been spent on? Social engineering by successive governments has lowered education standards, made a joke of the criminal justice system and made swathes of the population unhealthy, presumably by lowering the UK's socioeconomic status. The NHS has played it's part in all of this.

How many young people want to go into medicine. How has the HNS promoted a frontline career in NHS to young people? Why is there a large number of foreign people working in the NHS (the surgeon who replumbed my heart was Indian, the Registrar who assisted him was Syrian, the anaesthetist was iirc Sri Lankan. I don't know about the nurses, technicians etc who also assisted in the operation itself but . . . )?

The NHS has quite simply wasted money (our, taxpayer's money) by appalingly poor, top heavy management that has prioritised the wrong things. Then they moan about it, demanding more money to be wasted.

...preventative approaches

It's good that 'The Essentials if Human Nutrition' agree with me.

[Mr. Dazzle]

The NHS does absolutely nothing with our money to tell people how to be generally more healthy.

This is bollox.

Loads on their website, loads of TV campaigns, visits to schools, the whole "couch to 5k" thing, food "traffic light" labels....

https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/

[mangocrazy]

And as for your comment about your house in France being a holiday home, the point you missed was that if necessary you will have the money to self fund medical care, as we also can.

I fail to see how me having ownership of a holiday home means that I will have the money to self fund medical care. If anything I will have less money to fund medical care, as I have the additional overhead of maintenance, upkeep and French property taxes to come out of my pension. I'm not complaining about it, it's a choice I made, but it's another drain on resources albeit one that I'm happy to accept.

[Count Steer]

Sounds like you're saying it's governments that are at fault to me Yambo. That's where the buck stops.