In other words, you believe that the probability is that they would. Nice wriggle. Fail.Count Steer wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 7:08 pmYou see that little word up there - 'suspect'. Well, it doesn't mean the same as 'know'. I'm surprised you think it does tbh.irie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 6:59 pmBut they're not here, so how do you know what they would be if they were? For example, if the Bosch had crossed the Channel and the French had fought to liberate GB would it have been any different? I doubt it, their dead buried here would be being honoured in the same way.Count Steer wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 6:35 pm
I'll cut the French a lot of slack for the respect they pay the dead involved in their liberation. The war graves have always been kept immaculately whenever I've seen them. I suspect they wouldn't be such a heart-stopping experience if they were here tbh.
I call Count Steer bullshit.
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They are here too, the German war cemetary in Cannock is very well kept.irie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 6:59 pmBut they're not here, so how do you know what they would be if they were? For example, if the Bosch had crossed the Channel and the French had fought to liberate GB would it have been any different? I doubt it, their dead buried here would be being honoured in the same way.Count Steer wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 6:35 pmI'll cut the French a lot of slack for the respect they pay the dead involved in their liberation. The war graves have always been kept immaculately whenever I've seen them. I suspect they wouldn't be such a heart-stopping experience if they were here tbh.
I call Count Steer bullshit.
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I meant exactly what I said. If I wanted to say 'Fact', I'd have said 'Fact'.irie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 7:30 pmIn other words, you believe that the probability is that they would. Nice wriggle. Fail.Count Steer wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 7:08 pmYou see that little word up there - 'suspect'. Well, it doesn't mean the same as 'know'. I'm surprised you think it does tbh.irie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 6:59 pm
But they're not here, so how do you know what they would be if they were? For example, if the Bosch had crossed the Channel and the French had fought to liberate GB would it have been any different? I doubt it, their dead buried here would be being honoured in the same way.
I call Count Steer bullshit.
(Bullshit, wriggle, fail? Have you lost your meds?).
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Yet again resorting to ad hominems.
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Count Steer wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 7:41 pmYou're not allowed to use that word. Someone else has a monopoly on it. Fact. Oh Gods, I'm in trouble now! Fact. Aaargggh
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Count Steer wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 6:35 pm
I'll cut the French a lot of slack for the respect they pay the dead involved in their liberation. The war graves have always been kept immaculately whenever I've seen them. I suspect they wouldn't be such a heart-stopping experience if they were here tbh.
The people doing the work in the cemeteries may well be local French people but they get paid by the Commonwealth War Graves Commission.
The French allow that to happen but that doesn't mean they need to be cut some slack.
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The respective Allied and German war graves are kept immaculate in the ones I visited in Maleme. I think it's the Cretians who keep them so.
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When I went to Normandy I got the impression that the locals truly love and respect the allies that liberated them and not just do it for money.Yambo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2024 6:06 amCount Steer wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 6:35 pm
I'll cut the French a lot of slack for the respect they pay the dead involved in their liberation. The war graves have always been kept immaculately whenever I've seen them. I suspect they wouldn't be such a heart-stopping experience if they were here tbh.
The people doing the work in the cemeteries may well be local French people but they get paid by the Commonwealth War Graves Commission.
The French allow that to happen but that doesn't mean they need to be cut some slack.
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A good few years ago we did a Normandy beach tour the week after the D-Day memorials. I found the whole thing very respectful with union jacks everywhere, and other flags too. Lots f private homes had old photo displays in their gardens and again were flying allied flags. The whole thing was kind of humbling.
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Exactly what I saw and experienced, the locals really do take it seriously.Taipan wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2024 11:24 am A good few years ago we did a Normandy beach tour the week after the D-Day memorials. I found the whole thing very respectful with union jacks everywhere, and other flags too. Lots f private homes had old photo displays in their gardens and again were flying allied flags. The whole thing was kind of humbling.
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Brookwood Miltary Cemetery is my local one.Mussels wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 7:39 pmThey are here too, the German war cemetary in Cannock is very well kept.irie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 6:59 pmBut they're not here, so how do you know what they would be if they were? For example, if the Bosch had crossed the Channel and the French had fought to liberate GB would it have been any different? I doubt it, their dead buried here would be being honoured in the same way.Count Steer wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 6:35 pm
I'll cut the French a lot of slack for the respect they pay the dead involved in their liberation. The war graves have always been kept immaculately whenever I've seen them. I suspect they wouldn't be such a heart-stopping experience if they were here tbh.
I call Count Steer bullshit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannock_C ... y_Cemetery
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brookwood_Cemetery
(Largest cemetery in the UK, used to have it's own railway line from London and a station within a station at Waterloo). It's also the largest Commonwealth war cemetery in the UK).
It's also well kept and very moving too but, as I said up there ^^^ the ones in France are just heart-stopping.
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I'm sure they do but that doesn't change the fact that the Commonwealth War Graves Commission look after the war cemeteries. Not only in France but all around the world.JamJar wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2024 10:55 amWhen I went to Normandy I got the impression that the locals truly love and respect the allies that liberated them and not just do it for money.Yambo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2024 6:06 amCount Steer wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 6:35 pm
I'll cut the French a lot of slack for the respect they pay the dead involved in their liberation. The war graves have always been kept immaculately whenever I've seen them. I suspect they wouldn't be such a heart-stopping experience if they were here tbh.
The people doing the work in the cemeteries may well be local French people but they get paid by the Commonwealth War Graves Commission.
The French allow that to happen but that doesn't mean they need to be cut some slack.
Back in December I visited the Kanchanaburi War Cemetery in Thailand, nearly 7000 graves of British, Australian and Dutch soldiers who died whilst prisoners of the japanese during WW2. Whilst it doesn't have the grandeur of the Normandy and other European cemeteries, it too is very well tended.
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Our local graveyard has 3 wargraves, 3 Indian soldiers. Their graves are kept clean neat and tidy by the Wargraves Commission, the rest of it is left to go to shit by the local council.
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My father was a RAF fighter pilot who lost his life in peacetime when his aircraft developed a mechanical malfunction but he was unable to eject. If he could he would turn in his grave at Sunak thinking it's OK to place a wreath on a D-day memorial then leave early for a TV interview. What a wanker.
And I don't think the talking tree stump Starmer or slimeball Davey are any better than Sunak, they're not.
And I don't think the talking tree stump Starmer or slimeball Davey are any better than Sunak, they're not.
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irie wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2024 6:26 pm My father was a RAF fighter pilot who lost his life in peacetime when his aircraft developed a mechanical malfunction but he was unable to eject. If he could he would turn in his grave at Sunak thinking it's OK to place a wreath on a D-day memorial then leave early for a TV interview. What a wanker.
And I don't think the talking tree stump Starmer or slimeball Davey are any better, they're not.
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I'm not dead yet.Yambo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2024 6:31 pmThe dead don't vote.irie wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2024 6:26 pm My father was a RAF fighter pilot who lost his life in peacetime when his aircraft developed a mechanical malfunction but he was unable to eject. If he could he would turn in his grave at Sunak thinking it's OK to place a wreath on a D-day memorial then leave early for a TV interview. What a wanker.
And I don't think the talking tree stump Starmer or slimeball Davey are any better, they're not.
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Don't let ZX81 hear you say that.Yambo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2024 6:31 pmirie wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2024 6:26 pm My father was a RAF fighter pilot who lost his life in peacetime when his aircraft developed a mechanical malfunction but he was unable to eject. If he could he would turn in his grave at Sunak thinking it's OK to place a wreath on a D-day memorial then leave early for a TV interview. What a wanker.
And I don't think the talking tree stump Starmer or slimeball Davey are any better, they're not.
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You said "The dead don't vote".
I replied to what you said.
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Then I suggest you missed the point of my post.
Anyway, Sunak has apologised so it's all right now I guess.