Stinger deployed end high-speed motorbike pursuit after illegal riders flee police

[weeksy]

Slightly risky maybe.... but a good or bad thing ?

Three Swansea men illegally riding off-road bikes through the coastal city have been given suspended prison sentences following a high speed motorcycle pursuit, and the use of a stinger.

All three were seen riding dangerously between Swansea Marina and Oystermouth Road on January 27, as well as ignoring red traffic lights. They then failed to stop for officers, leading to a police motorcyclist pursuit.

Three stinger sites were then set up in the Mumbles area, successfully puncturing the tyres on all of the bikes, which were later recovered by the South Wales force.

“Tackling the criminal use of both road registered and unregistered off-road motorcycles and their anti-social and illegal use is an important priority for all officers,” Sergeant Richard Coulthard of the Territorial Crime Team (TCT) said.

“There appears to be a perception that the police are unable to stop and detain these riders, who flout the laws and cause danger to themselves and others. Our highly trained officers may however be authorised to make use of numerous tactics to safely stop these machines and detain the riders and put them before the courts.”

Joshua Miller, 20, Keiron Paton, 18, and Fraser Saunders, 20, have now all appeared in court for sentencing, with Saunders admitting to driving whilst disqualified and without insurance. He was sentenced to 48 weeks in prison, suspended over 18 months, and disqualified from driving for three years.

Keiron Paton was also charged and convicted with handling stolen property in relation to the motorbike used in the offence and got 40 weeks in prison again suspended over 18 months. He must undergo an extended re-test to get his licence back, after an 18-month suspension.

Meanwhile, Joshua Miller received 24 weeks in prison suspended over 18 months and has also been disqualified from driving for 18 months and must also take an extended re-test. All three riders will also wear an electronic tag, with curfew conditions, for three months.

“Aside from the personal safety to the riders, their pillion passengers and the general public along with the noise nuisance aspects, the riders are committing road traffic offences such as driving without insurance or MoT each time they ride on the road,” Sergeant Coulthard added.

[MrLongbeard]

Good thing

[Lutin]

And there's me having already posted this in Staying Alive / Survival Skills 5 days ago.

Stingers used to stop motorbikes

[Skub]

And there's me having already posted this in Staying Alive / Survival Skills 5 days ago.

Stingers used to stop motorbikes

Yeahbutt Staying Alive is a daunting place for us timid folk.

[crust]

The off-spring of umarried parents rode my KTM around after they stole it, so my only gripe was the stinger being on the ground, should have been at neck level.

[Ian]

Scrotes? Fuck em but let's hope we don't see scope creep and stingers getting used before they've chased with the blue lights on and given people chance to give up.

Interesting to note that the police rider appears to get stung too. That's risky, if he dropped it due to the puncture he could be seriously hurt.

[Bigyin]

Fuck em. they make the choice not to stop when given the opportunity so the consequences of any actions after that choice are self inflicted.

A stinger is a lower risk option than being rammed by a police vehicle at speed using "tactical contact"

[Nordboy]

Scrotes? Fuck em but let's hope we don't see scope creep and stingers getting used before they've chased with the blue lights on and given people chance to give up.

The use of stinger is already a pre-emptive tactic to avoid a pursuit. Pursuits can be inherently dangerous for everyone so better not to have one, it's very much the preferred option.

[Mr Moofo]

Excellent news - the only issue being susepnded sentences are no sentence at all in the wilder areas of the UK. I am amaked that the lad that was already disqualified got a susoended sentence.
I bet he was out nicking bikes a few hours later!

[Ian]

The use of stinger is already a pre-emptive tactic to avoid a pursuit. Pursuits can be inherently dangerous for everyone so better not to have one, it's very much the preferred option.

Have you any idea how safely bikes stop after being stung? My concern is based on the assumption that the rider might drop the bike and it might hit someone/thing. Does real world experience suggest they generally stay upright?

[Nordboy]

The use of stinger is already a pre-emptive tactic to avoid a pursuit. Pursuits can be inherently dangerous for everyone so better not to have one, it's very much the preferred option.

Have you any idea how safely bikes stop after being stung? My concern is based on the assumption that the rider might drop the bike and it might hit someone/thing. Does real world experience suggest they generally stay upright?

I have lots of idea. As a trainer, I teach it's deployment.

They're designed to slowly release the air, so it's not an instant tyre deflation, bike tends to slow and the final 'dismount' is normally done at slow speed. Of course there's risk that the person riding it tries to keep powering through it or hits something but in my experience it generally doesn't result in serious injury.

[gremlin]

in my experience it generally doesn't result in serious injury.

Shame.


(Says the hardened crim who's just received a NIP for doing 46 in a 40 )

[Ian]

Have you any idea how safely bikes stop after being stung?

I have lots of idea. As a trainer, I teach it's deployment.

Excellent. Thanks for the informed response I remembered you were in the police but didn't know where. I imagined a sudden deflation, it's good to know they are not like that.

PS apologies, 'Have you any idea' was a badly phrased question not an incredulous Victor Meldrew impression

[Nordboy]

Have you any idea how safely bikes stop after being stung?

I have lots of idea. As a trainer, I teach it's deployment.

Excellent. Thanks for the informed response I remembered you were in the police but didn't know where. I imagined a sudden deflation, it's good to know they are not like that.

PS apologies, 'Have you any idea' was a badly phrased question not an incredulous Victor Meldrew impression

No apologies needed. Taken the correct way. Happy to share my limited wisdom, well, some of it

[Cousin Jack]

From experience (an 80 mph sudden and complete deflation of the rear tyre) it shouldn't be too bad. I knew something was very wrong, but couldn't work out what it was. I slowed, rode along a bit at reduced speed (40 mph or so) and stopped in a layby after a couple of miles. All quite safe and civilized, but obviously not right. Once I had stopped the bike became virtually unrideable! I presume it was centrifugal force supporting the sidewall, one I stopped they collapsed.

Mine was 'stung' by a spoke. Early new Bonnevilles (the 790 cc version) had a spoke problem with the rear wheel, making spoke breakages a thing, always at the crossover point of the lacing. When they broke the stub in the rim hit the rear brake caliper and drove it back through the rim, shredding the tube in the process. More than a few people found out the problem the hard way, Triumph of course denied everything.

[Nordboy]

From experience (an 80 mph sudden and complete deflation of the rear tyre) it shouldn't be too bad. I knew something was very wrong, but couldn't work out what it was. I slowed, rode along a bit at reduced speed (40 mph or so) and stopped in a layby after a couple of miles. All quite safe and civilized, but obviously not right. Once I had stopped the bike became virtually unrideable! I presume it was centrifugal force supporting the sidewall, one I stopped they collapsed.

Mine was 'stung' by a spoke. Early new Bonnevilles (the 790 cc version) had a spoke problem with the rear wheel, making spoke breakages a thing, always at the crossover point of the lacing. When they broke the stub in the rim hit the rear brake caliper and drove it back through the rim, shredding the tube in the process. More than a few people found out the problem the hard way, Triumph of course denied everything.

A rear tyre deflation is far less of an issue than a front tyre. I had a nasty moment on a shout on the job bike (fjr1300). I was on a dual carriageway making good progress when I picked up a front tyre deflation. It went from fine to zero psi in the space of about 200 metres....towards a busy roundabout. Of course, because I'd lost all pressure, I couldn't steer and I couldn't use the front brake to shed a load of speed. It was like trying to ride a tourer through deep mud. To this day, I'm not actually sure how I managed to stay upright, but I ended up near enough on the central area of the roundabout. It was very, very uncomfortable.

But that was a very rapid deflation, probably 5 seconds. The hostyds device is designed to control pressure loss in around 20 seconds.

[Wscad]

If you had that sealant stuff in your tyres would a stinger do its job?

[Nordboy]

If you had that sealant stuff in your tyres would a stinger do its job?

Yes, the hole in the spike would release the sealant, albeit maybe a bit slower. The sealant wouldn't be able to do its job effectively.

[Newey]

Nordboy, would the stingers deflate an inner tube tyre straight away ??

[Nordboy]

Nordboy, would the stingers deflate an inner tube tyre straight away ??

Good question, It shouldn't be any different on a tyre with an inner tube, the principle should be exactly the same.