Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?

[Slenver]

This does look like great fun and with a 270kw charger, you can get 200 mile range in 20 minutes! Trouble is there are only four 270kw chargers in the country at present! That aside by fook that looks quick!

Nah, old news.

There are tens, if not hundreds, of 350kW chargers out there now. And that's the old model Taycan, the newer one charges faster (320kW), plus has a way bigger ranger.

[Mr. Dazzle]

Rapid chargers are er....rapidly....being rolled out on loads of countries. Info is regularly updated here, although it's actually quite tricky to find out exact info, partly because private suppliers don't necessarily want you to be aware of rival's services.

https://www.zap-map.com/ev-stats/how-ma ... 20database.

[MrLongbeard]

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news ... ut-9008331

According to the RAC, who analysed data from charger locator service Zapmap, just 46 out of 119 services in England met the six charger target. However, Leicester Forest East was found not to not have any at all.

https://placetoplug.com/en/charging-sta ... S_Services
And the ones they do have aren't working (I assume that map is up to date, I was there last week when they weren't working), the look on drivers faces as they pulled in to find them out of order was not pleasant

Looking at the reviews / check ins they've been down for a couple of years, a major service station on one of the busiest motorways;
https://www.plugshare.com/location/2257 ... 0operation.

[Mr. Dazzle]

I was Chieveley services on the M4/A34 last week, they've got bloody loads! I didn't count how many exactly, but they had at least three big groups of chargers.

The car park was quite literally buzzing with electricity.

Edit:
1x 11kW
4x 50kW
5x 100kW
12x 350kW

Seems to be what I can find at Cheively. So that one services has more high power charging than the "whole UK" as mentioned in that old Top Gear video.

Just having a look around - there are loads now. THere are 6x 350kW chargers just down the road (walking distance) from my house, then 6 more a mile down the road in the other direction.

[MrLongbeard]

I was Chieveley services on the M4/A34 last week, they've got bloody loads! I didn't count how many exactly, but they had at least three big groups of chargers.

The car park was quite literally buzzing with electricity.

Edit:
1x 11kW
4x 50kW
5x 100kW
12x 350kW

Seems to be what I can find at Cheively. So that one services has more high power charging than the "whole UK" as mentioned in that old Top Gear video.

Just having a look around - there are loads now. THere are 6x 350kW chargers just down the road (walking distance) from my house, then 6 more a mile down the road in the other direction.

Our town of 4000 souls has 6 x 7Kw chargers.

It's super rare for me to go anywhere where a load of chargers would be clustered together, but the past 2 times (last week and last year) they were out of order, the only ones I see consistently working is the Tesla bank @ Hopwood park

[Mr. Dazzle]

Our town has 6 7Kw chargers.

There's more than that just outside my two local corner shops There're a couple of 7kWers just randomly on the street a couple of hundred metres from here as well.

Deffo enormous regional variations!

[MingtheMerciless]

I was Chieveley services on the M4/A34 last week, they've got bloody loads! I didn't count how many exactly, but they had at least three big groups of chargers.

The car park was quite literally buzzing with electricity.

Edit:
1x 11kW
4x 50kW
5x 100kW
12x 350kW

Seems to be what I can find at Cheively. So that one services has more high power charging than the "whole UK" as mentioned in that old Top Gear video.

Just having a look around - there are loads now. THere are 6x 350kW chargers just down the road (walking distance) from my house, then 6 more a mile down the road in the other direction.

That's an awful lot of load if they were all in use at the same time! I bet the nearby DNO/grid site is sweating when that lots on song.

[MrLongbeard]

Sometimes you can charge more than one car

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[Mr. Dazzle]

Maybe they think it'll go three times faster if you park it like that.

[MrLongbeard]

Maybe they think it'll go three times faster if you park it like that.

At 7kw maybe they're just hoping for a faster charge.
It's from the local 'parked like a twat' facebook group, reckoning is that it ran out of charge and was unceremoniously dumped by the recovery truck

[Mr. Dazzle]

That's an awful lot of load if they were all in use at the same time! I bet the nearby DNO/grid site is sweating when that lots on song.

Yeah I had the same thought.

TBF those banks of 350kW are all part of dedicated charging stations, rather than plonked in a Tesco carpark. It's also extremely unlikely you'd get 6 cars which can actually accept 350kW simultaneously - at least at the moment.

[Slenver]

It's also extremely unlikely you'd get 6 cars which can actually accept 350kW simultaneously - at least at the moment.

Not sure there are any currently!

[ZRX61]

EV mandate push back:

https://climatechangedispatch.com/three ... -push-evs/

[KungFooBob]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-68818113

Tesla sack >10% of the workforce!

[Count Steer]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-68818113

Tesla sack >10% of the workforce!

I guess the early adopters have adopted + the models are getting old + the competition is getting going etc.

Meanwhile, British battery 'manufacturer' doesn't have a workforce to cut by 10%.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw4rx2zxy7wo

[Mr. Dazzle]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-68818113

Tesla sack >10% of the workforce!

Last line of that article is the kicker...

"There is also the ongoing pressure from China as the rise of their inexpensive EVs have begun to flood the market with affordable models".

I suspect there are going to be several major casualties over the next 10 years or so. Lots of firms are going to wait and see what happens with EVs, if they're not careful that "what happens" is gonna be "you get replaced by a Chinese state sponsored enterprise".

China is very well placed to boot out the legacy European and US manufacturers during this paradigm shift. No-one was gonna buy a Dongfeng* over a Mercedes, but they might buy a BYD over a Tesla.

*Who? Exactly

[KungFooBob]

I see loads of them MG4's, they're cheap as chips and on 0% PCP, why buy a Tesla

[Horse]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-68818113

Tesla sack >10% of the workforce!

Jaguar:

Jaguar will end production of the XE, XF and F-Type in a matter of weeks, as its Castle Bromwich factory in Birmingham prepares to transition to production of body panels for a whole new line of vehicles.

The retirement of Jaguar's two saloons and its flagship sports car means the brand's line-up will become SUV-only, with just the I-Pace, E-Pace and F-Pace remaining on sale through 2024.

Jaguar's new era begins in 2025 with the introduction of a 600bhp electric four-seat GT car in the vein of the Porsche Taycan, which is thought to be followed a year later by a Bentley Bentayga-style luxury SUV and then a large luxury saloon. All will share the firm's new – and bespoke – JEA platform, and are entirely unrelated to its current models.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new- ... w-out-june

[KungFooBob]

Volvo have already gone SUV Only in the UK.

Ford stopped making the Fiesta because the Puma SUV was outselling it.

I hate SUV's, it seems I'm the only one.

[MrLongbeard]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-68818113

Tesla sack >10% of the workforce!

And the wait list on that carbuncle of a cybertruck is what 5 - 10 years