Israel's war with Hamas (and other Iran proxies)

[irie]

Is it not about time that Iran got a whack on the peepee...they cause no end of shit around the middle east and elsewhere...

One side product of keeping Iran tied up in the Middle East is that it should reduce its logistical support for Putin/Russia. If Israel goes to war with Iran backed Hezbollah that would be music to the ears of the Saudis who are vying with Iran for regional power status, and further degrade Iran's logistical support for Putin/Russia.

[irie]

Well ideally I would like the Britons, Romans, Saxons, Danes, Normans and everyone else to fuck off. and leave us Celts alone in what you now call England, but that is a bit much to ask.

Seriously, turning the clock back doesn't work, but a bit of sensitivity to historic stuff that might be considered a bit iffy by todays standards actually goes a long way. Jews are not all going to leave Palestine, but sharing it and playing nicely would do much to leave Hammas as a bitter and twisted minority with no popular support. The current practices are making certain that a new generation of terrorists are itching to kill more Jews.

You should have a look at Captagon manufacturing, trade, and distribution to see where the money really is. The Middle East's dirty secret.

[demographic]

This showing the shifting stories the IDF has been telling about the Flour Massacre and the type of wounds inflicted in what the IDF calls a stampede. Mostly bullet wounds and many head and neck shots.

[irie]

Pretty obvious that an Israeli pre-condition of any deal with Hamas is the release of all hostages held by Hamas.

Hamas will self evidently not release all the hostages it holds so Israel's hunt for Hamas terrorists in Gaza tunnels will continue.

[mangocrazy]

Pretty obvious that an Israeli pre-condition of any deal with Hamas is the release of all hostages held by Hamas.

Hamas will self evidently not release all the hostages it holds so Israel will continue to slaughter innocent civilians.

I can only hope that Hamas comes to its senses and releases all the Israeli hostages, just so Israel cannot use it as an excuse not to call a negotiated ceasefire.

But I'm not holding my breath.

[irie]

Pretty obvious that an Israeli pre-condition of any deal with Hamas is the release of all hostages held by Hamas.

Hamas will self evidently not release all the hostages it holds so Israel's hunt for Hamas terrorists in Gaza tunnels will continue.

I can only hope that Hamas comes to its senses and releases all the Israeli hostages, just so Israel cannot use it as an excuse not to call a negotiated ceasefire.

But I'm not holding my breath.

The construction of the 300+ miles of tunnels beneath Gaza over the last 20 years obviously can not have been constructed without the knowledge and complicity of the Gaza population, so Gaza civilians are not 'innocent'. Children of course are innocent but are grist to the Hamas propaganda mill which Hamas sits behind.

FYI in the UK Hamas in 2021 became a proscribed terrorist organisation.

Let us indeed hope that Hamas immediately releases all hostages - holding hostages is a war crime.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostage#: ... 20together

[Bigjawa]

Israel will have written the hostages off long ago. They're in this to Gaza ceases to exist.

A final solution you could say.....

[irie]

Israel will have written the hostages off long ago. They're in this to Gaza ceases to exist.

A final solution you could say.....

If the Israeli hostages were dead then their families would want their bodies back.

And unsurprisingly Israel would want to pursue their killers.

[mangocrazy]

The construction of the 300+ miles of tunnels beneath Gaza over the last 20 years obviously can not have been constructed without the knowledge and complicity of the Gaza population, so Gaza civilians are not 'innocent'. Children of course are innocent but are grist to the Hamas propaganda mill which Hamas sits behind.

We've been over this ground before. Remind me again how digging tunnels can be regarded as an act of war.

[Mr Moofo]

Israel will have written the hostages off long ago. They're in this to Gaza ceases to exist.

A final solution you could say.....

Indeed they seem to be unaware of the pathos/irony

[Cousin Jack]

Israel will have written the hostages off long ago. They're in this to Gaza ceases to exist.

A final solution you could say.....

Indeed they seem to be unaware of the pathos/irony

A bit like abused kids. Should know better, but more likely to end up abusing the next generation.

[Yambo]

The construction of the 300+ miles of tunnels beneath Gaza over the last 20 years obviously can not have been constructed without the knowledge and complicity of the Gaza population, so Gaza civilians are not 'innocent'.

I wonder who paid for the tunnels.

Probably Iran, but just as probable is the use of aid money that never got to where it was intended.

[irie]

The construction of the 300+ miles of tunnels beneath Gaza over the last 20 years obviously can not have been constructed without the knowledge and complicity of the Gaza population, so Gaza civilians are not 'innocent'.

I wonder who paid for the tunnels.

Probably Iran, but just as probable is the use of aid money that never got to where it was intended.

From what I've read, Israel has directly and indirectly supported Gaza financially for decades to which should be added finance from Iran and others such as charitable organisations. Much of which will have been redirected by Hamas to non-civilian purposes. There's gas in Gaza BTW.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governa ... Gaza_Strip

The governance of the Gaza Strip since the Hamas takeover of the Gaza Strip in June 2007 has been carried out by Hamas.[1][2][3] The Hamas government in Gaza was led by Ismail Haniyeh from 2007 until February 2017, when Haniyeh was replaced as leader of Hamas in the Gaza Strip by Yahya Sinwar.[4]

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 023-12-01/

Hamas leader Sinwar plotted Israel's most deadly day in plain sight

Last year, Yahya Sinwar told a rally in Gaza that Hamas would deploy fighters and rockets in a fierce strike on Israel, the nation that imprisoned him for 23 years before he was freed and rose to a leadership role in the militant group.

The speech by Hamas' leader in Gaza to thousands of cheering supporters bore the hallmarks of crowd-pleasing hyperbole. Less than a year later, Israel discovered it was no idle threat, when Hamas fighters broke through Gaza's fence, killing around 1,200 people and taking more than 200 hostages.

[Cousin Jack]

So locking political activists away for decades doesn't work, just makes them bitter and twisted. What a surprise!

[Count Steer]

So locking political activists away for decades doesn't work, just makes them bitter and twisted. What a surprise!

I'm pretty sure that banging people up without trial doesn't turn them into peaceful citizens either.

In August 2023, 1,264 Palestinians were held in administrative detention in Israel, without charge or trial, the highest number in three decades. After the start of the 2023 Israel–Hamas war, the number of Palestinians held in administrative detention rose from 1,319 to 2,070 between 1 October 2023 and 1 November 2023.

Not that they're hostages and used in hostage swaps, no siree. Perish the thought.

[Bigjawa]

Israel will have written the hostages off long ago. They're in this to Gaza ceases to exist.

A final solution you could say.....

If the Israeli hostages were dead then their families would want their bodies back.

And unsurprisingly Israel would want to pursue their killers.

There's no chance of recovering the bodies when the place has been blown to hell and back, it's went well beyond the stage of pursuing the killers. It's like the having RAF flattening West Belfast or Coalisland because the IRA detonated the Canary Wharf bomb.

[irie]

Israel will have written the hostages off long ago. They're in this to Gaza ceases to exist.

A final solution you could say.....

If the Israeli hostages were dead then their families would want their bodies back.

And unsurprisingly Israel would want to pursue their killers.

There's no chance of recovering the bodies when the place has been blown to hell and back, it's went well beyond the stage of pursuing the killers. It's like the having RAF flattening West Belfast or Coalisland because the IRA detonated the Canary Wharf bomb.

The hostages, if still alive, will be in the tunnels which are reported to remain largely intact.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-israel ... ar-report/

28 January 2024: US, Israel believe up to 80% of Hamas tunnels intact after 114 days of war – report

Israeli official estimates 20%-40% of network damaged or put out of order during war; military reports ‘high-intensity fighting’ in Khan Younis, skirmishes elsewhere in Strip

Edit: insert date of link in quote

[Mr Moofo]

You couldn't make it up
From the Telegraph
Gaza’s waterfront properties could be “very valuable”, Donald Trump’s son-in-law has said, as he suggested Israel rehouse displaced civilians in the desert.

Jared Kushner, a former property dealer who served alongside his wife Ivanka Trump as senior White House advisers to her father, also told an audience at Harvard University that a Palestinian state would be “a super bad idea”.

“Gaza’s waterfront property could be very valuable … if people would focus on building up livelihoods,” Mr Kushner said in a discussion chaired by Prof Tarek Masoud, Harvard’s Middle East Initiative faculty chair.

[demographic]

So it seems pretty obvious that its an ongoing genocide, also if anyone thinks that it started on Oct the 7th that they clearly haven't been paying attention.
If your supporting this yer on the wrong side of history IMO.

[mangocrazy]

The intent of Israel to destroy Palestine as a nation has been clear to see for anyone with working eyes, ears and brain for years. Apologists for the state of Israel should be ashamed of themselves.