Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?

[Yambo]

Yeah it won't be easy but for obvious reasons cars are designed so that they can't run away, brakes of course being the ultimate final resort.

This runaway Jag story just smells so fishy. So many things would have to go wrong for the car to run away and then for you to not be able to "overpower" it.

Doubly so in a leccy car where the brake boost and the drive motors are independent systems.

It's very fishy.

All he had to do, surely, was to turn the key - given that there is a key. Even if there isn't a key there is going to be some way of creating a permanent disconnection between motor and wheels, like neutral in a gearbox. How else can you leave the car overnight?

[Mr. Dazzle]

Most leccy cars....virtually all in fact, can't think of an example where it's not the case...are fixies, there's no way to disconnect the motor from the wheels. There's no need! Motor will just freewheel if you push the car. A very few have a 2 speed gearbox, but there's no neutral.

If the electronic motor control systems broke its very very very unlikely they'd break in such a way as the drive the motor. More likely it'd just spazz out and refuse to go. It takes pretty fine control to actually make it drive.

[Treadeager]

The runaway Jag story is very fishy . I read in one account ( can't remember DT or BBC ) it was the second time it had happened , after Jaguar gave it the all clear following the first event .

[Vroomy]

Current electric cars just don't fit the bill for me either. Style matters, and range anxiety is a real concern.

[Taipan]

I suspect like one someone murders an intruder, they get charged so their innocence can be proven?

[Sadlonelygit]

I suspect like one someone murders an intruder, they get charged so their innocence can be proven?

Murder has to be premeditated, so unless you have machine gun nests set up with a killing zone in the kitchen/diner, more likely to be manslaughter, which in the course of defending you and yours, is hard to prove, unless you batter the fucker after they have ceased resisting or chase them down and inflict instant justice!

[Taipan]

I suspect like one someone murders an intruder, they get charged so their innocence can be proven?

Murder has to be premeditated, so unless you have machine gun nests set up with a killing zone in the kitchen/diner, more likely to be manslaughter, which in the course of defending you and yours, is hard to prove, unless you batter the fucker after they have ceased resisting or chase them down and inflict instant justice!

My bad, I should have said killed not murdered…

[Mussels]

I suspect like one someone murders an intruder, they get charged so their innocence can be proven?

Murder has to be premeditated, so unless you have machine gun nests set up with a killing zone in the kitchen/diner, more likely to be manslaughter, which in the course of defending you and yours, is hard to prove, unless you batter the fucker after they have ceased resisting or chase them down and inflict instant justice!

I thought the difference was that murder is an intentional act be it premeditated or not, manslaughter is unintentional.
These definitions are probably flexible depending on the amount of social media outrage but neither is as bad as cutting down a Sycamore tree.

[Saga Lout]

I thought the difference was that murder is an intentional act be it premeditated or not, manslaughter is unintentional.
These definitions are probably flexible depending on the amount of social media outrage but neither is as bad as cutting down a Sycamore tree.

Yebutt. Sycamore trees don't just grow on...

Oh. As you were.

[Yambo]

I suspect like one someone murders (kills) an intruder, they get charged so their innocence can be proven?

Nobody has to prove their innocence, the state has to prove their guilt.

[Pirahna]

I've had two friends killed and the killers then convicted of manslaughter. One of them I'll put a link below, the first was back in the 80's. A friend, Colin McGregor, had words with a couple of pikies in a pub in Wood Green, London. The pikies went back to their caravans and when Colin left the pub they were waiting outside with a baseball bat each and beat him to death. They didn't mean to kill him, only teach him a lesson, both got seven years.

Ray Eden: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-sou ... e-14509571

[Taipan]

I've had two friends killed and the killers then convicted of manslaughter. One of them I'll put a link below, the first was back in the 80's. A friend, Colin McGregor, had words with a couple of pikies in a pub in Wood Green, London. The pikies went back to their caravans and when Colin left the pub they were waiting outside with a baseball bat each and beat him to death. They didn't mean to kill him, only teach him a lesson, both got seven years.

Ray Eden: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-sou ... e-14509571

4years and 9 months! Ffs I bet he was out after 3 years.

[Taipan]

NHS dropping leccy ambulances as they only get 70 miles to a 4 hour charge, compared to an ice 800 miles and refill in minutes.

[Horse]

One news story (DM & Telegraph seem to have similar, word for word) says:

Standard ambulances can cover up to 800 miles a day

Later in the article:

Standard ambulances cover 800 miles a day

That's a continuous 33mph for 24 hours, non-stop. Doesn't sound realistic, unless at the very top end of 'up to' and solely involving very long, high-speed, transfers.

On calls I attend, crews typically spend an hour at the scene. Even on a recent incident where they needed to get going to A&E very quickly, it was probably at least 20 minutes from arriving to leaving.

[Mr. Dazzle]

Probably makes more sense as a sentence if you replace "can" with "could". As in, they could do that, but they don't. I'd guess in Central London for example they do like 2.8 miles a day or whatever.

I would imagine the problem with an ambulance is the uncertainty of when you need it. Plus the absolutely piss poor planning of the NHS

Wouldn't be my first choice of EV application.

[Horse]

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I would imagine the problem with an ambulance is the uncertainty of when you need it. Plus the absolutely piss poor planning of the NHS

There's a surprising amount of planning required for ambulance despatch. It's not just what's nearest, also needs to account for imminent breaks, etc.

And that's assuming they're not stacked up at A&E.

Longest drive I've heard of is 45 minutes / 25+ miles, cross-country.

[Slenver]

NHS dropping leccy ambulances

Have you got a link? All I can find are several sites saying the NHS are expanding their trials to more areas.

[Rockburner]

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I would imagine the problem with an ambulance is the uncertainty of when you need it. Plus the absolutely piss poor planning of the NHS

There's a surprising amount of planning required for ambulance despatch. It's not just what's nearest, also needs to account for imminent breaks, etc.

And that's assuming they're not stacked up at A&E.

Longest drive I've heard of is 45 minutes / 25+ miles, cross-country.

I suspect the issue is charging times, rather than range.

[Yorick]

Couldn't the ambulance plug in at the house at each call?

Then have bit more time to care for each patient.

Wins all round

[Horse]

Couldn't the ambulance plug in at the house at each call?

Then have bit more time to care for each patient.

Wins all round

Only if he doesn't take power from the kettle