Model of helmet??

[Horse]

I read this as 'Helmet of a model' and have spent the last 20 minutes trying to get the perfect shot...

Is this with your newly-invigourated 'talents'?

[gremlin]

I read this as 'Helmet of a model' and have spent the last 20 minutes trying to get the perfect shot...

Is this with your newly-invigourated 'talents'?

Making the most of the last little bit of post-op swelling.

[Horse]

I read this as 'Helmet of a model' and have spent the last 20 minutes trying to get the perfect shot...

Is this with your newly-invigourated 'talents'?

Making the most of the last little bit of post-op swelling.

Hmmm 'therapeutic massage, eh?

[weeksy]

If a helmet has been stored in a dry, cool, reasonably well ventilated area out of direct sunlight their lifespan should be comfortably more than 10 years.

Based upon what exactly ?

[weeksy]

And how it looks, or feeling sturdy, is not a particularly good guide of how well the helmet will absorb impact forces.

That does sound like a reasonable thing to say, but my newest bike is 44yrs old, so if these plastic based materials regularly fail then the bike will fall apart before my helmet and I won't have to worry about it.

Different though isn't it, the bike isn't designed to protect your head and keep you alive in an impact, so it's built with completely different materials for a completley different purpose.

[mangocrazy]

If a helmet has been stored in a dry, cool, reasonably well ventilated area out of direct sunlight their lifespan should be comfortably more than 10 years.

Based upon what exactly ?

Personal opinion and observations. I'm not expecting anyone to follow my line of reasoning. Make your own mind up on things that affect your personal safety.

[Horse]

And how it looks, or feeling sturdy, is not a particularly good guide of how well the helmet will absorb impact forces.

That does sound like a reasonable thing to say, but my newest bike is 44yrs old, so if these plastic based materials regularly fail then the bike will fall apart before my helmet and I won't have to worry about it.

@the_priest has, IIRC, posted about various parts of his Triumph disintegrating. Some of them were plastic.

But also, IIRC, they were fuel hose connectors, out of sight. Same with the helmet lining. A visual inspection won't inform you of internal degradation.

Legally, it's up to you what you wear as long as it met the standard in place when first sold. Those standards develop and evolve.

As always, don't fall off


Did you have newer helmets (subsequently disposed of) when riding your newer bikes in Dubai?

[mangocrazy]

@the_priest has, IIRC, posted about various parts of his Triumph disintegrating. Some of them were plastic.

But also, IIRC, they were fuel hose connectors, out of sight. Same with the helmet lining. A visual inspection won't inform you of internal degradation.

Plastic bodywork is (for the most part) ABS. Helmets (for the most part) are fibreglass composites. Very different materials, despite both being 'plastic'. And fuel hose connectors are permanently in contact with volatile hydrocarbons. Helmets aren't.

[mangocrazy]

The rule of thumb I apply is that when the helmet lining becomes compressed to the point that it's no longer a snug fit, it's time to dispose of it. If at any time before that the shell starts to display even the slightest cracking or crazing, get rid immediately. And if despite all that it gets to around 15 years old, get rid anyway.

[Horse]

@the_priest has, IIRC, posted about various parts of his Triumph disintegrating. Some of them were plastic.

But also, IIRC, they were fuel hose connectors, out of sight. Same with the helmet lining. A visual inspection won't inform you of internal degradation.

Plastic bodywork is (for the most part) ABS. Helmets (for the most part) are fibreglass composites. Very different materials, despite both being 'plastic'. And fuel hose connectors are permanently in contact with volatile hydrocarbons. Helmets aren't.

Which is why, earlier, I mentioned storage.

Store your helmet next to a petrol can, or something else evaporating solvents, and that might have a damaging effect on the impact absorbing liner. Especially if over a much longer time. It's not just about the shell material.

I really don't know.

[Horse]

if despite all that it gets to around 15 years old, get rid anyway.

Like I said, SHARP was developed in 2007, testing from 2008.

ECE22-06 is now roughly equivalent (although rotational is new, there may be other differences).

Are your 14 y.o. lids listed on SHARP?

[mangocrazy]

if despite all that it gets to around 15 years old, get rid anyway.

Like I said, SHARP was developed in 2007, testing from 2008.

ECE22-06 is now roughly equivalent (although rotational is new, there may be other differences).

Are your 14 y.o. lids listed on SHARP?

Dunno - they're Shoei XR1100s - you tell me.

[Horse]

if despite all that it gets to around 15 years old, get rid anyway.

Like I said, SHARP was developed in 2007, testing from 2008.

ECE22-06 is now roughly equivalent (although rotational is new, there may be other differences).

Are your 14 y.o. lids listed on SHARP?

Dunno - they're Shoei XR1100s - you tell me.

Yes
https://sharp.dft.gov.uk/helmets/?manuf ... 100&type=1

A good test result.

[Mr Moofo]

@weeksy

I have never really understood the MIPS being the answer to everything ( and early MIPS seemed to be weakly adhered to helmets anyway)

I feel that if you are relying on MIPS to save you, then most of the rest of you life you will be fed through a tube , if you survive.
MIPS type systems in motorcycle helmets - is there anywhere I can go for data, as my marketing background suggests that it is a really good way of building in obsolescence.
Anyone know when the new rotational stuff is at its most effective? Crashes from 50mph, 70 mph, 90 mph?

And if it is the new standard, why are Arai and Shoei not making helmets to the new std?https://www.infinitymotorcycles.com/new ... know-about

[MrLongbeard]

And if it is the new standard, why are Arai and Shoei not making helmets to the new std?https://www.infinitymotorcycles.com/new ... know-about

They are, that article is a year old

Now, ECE 22.06 doesn’t actually come into effect until January 2024, so until then helmets that meet the outgoing 22.05 are still legal for sale.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=shoei ... nt=gws-wiz

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Arai+ ... s-wiz-serp

[Horse]

MCN note:

Production under 22.05 certification ceased in July 2023 and manufacturers were given until January 4, 2024 to clear remaining stock. Retailers, however, are free to sell 22.05 helmets until their own stock is exhausted, and with that in mind there are bargains to be had.

[Noggin]

My mate Matt is heading there today, to go to the show tomorrow.

Big bloke, with beard, so easy to recognise at a bike show If you see him, say Hi

Well, I said hi to LOADS of big beards blokes and none said - ah, your Horses mate, how’s it going?

Shoei XR1100 were made in 2009.... 15 years ago..

You sure you want a visor for a 15 year old helmet ?

Well, I bought it in 2016. But even that makes it 8 years old

However, I virtually never used it because I preferred the Arai, and then the other Shoei. So it lived the first year mainly in a cupboard

Since 2017, on the few occasions that I’ve ridden, I’ve mostly used the Arai because it has a dark visor

Mind you, the Shoei is still younger than the Arai and hasn’t been ’tapped’ on the back in an off at Portimao like the Arai has!!!


I haven’t been able to afford like for like replacements for the last few years and both helmets were upper end on the helmet scale (not top, I know!) when I bought them, so I figure that, now I’m riding a LOT slower and a LOT less, I will keep these two for probably another summer. Once I’m riding more and faster and possibly on track again, I will reassess all my kit - but the helmets first for sure


But, didn’t find anyone that wanted to sell me a visor today, so will go online

[Horse]

My mate Matt is heading there today, to go to the show tomorrow.

Big bloke, with beard, so easy to recognise at a bike show If you see him, say Hi

Well, I said hi to LOADS of big beards blokes and none said - ah, your Horses mate, how’s it going?

[Noggin]

My mate Matt is heading there today, to go to the show tomorrow.

Big bloke, with beard, so easy to recognise at a bike show If you see him, say Hi

Well, I said hi to LOADS of big beards blokes and none said - ah, your Horses mate, how’s it going?

Aaah, that'll explain why then Oh well, must remember to read all the post properly next time!

[Horse]

Well, I said hi to LOADS of big beards blokes and none said - ah, your Horses mate, how’s it going?

But more importantly, did you get any phone numbers?