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https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/202 ... ro-5-plus/

Not in Europe anyways

That'll be the GSXR1k and the R1 dead, ZX10 and Fireblade next?

I guess it just backs up the fact that no one buys sports bikes anymore. Which then asks the question if MotoGP and WSBK are relevant anymore if everyone is buying shopping bikes and big nakeds?
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There are still masses of big sports bikes here.
Maybe coz of better roads and all year riding?
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It's a bit of a puzzler because Euro5+ isn't any tougher in terms of emissions, which is what killed off many of the previous generation of machines - in fact as I understand it, it keeps the current emission limits which I assume has been where all the hard work has been put it.

If I had to guess, it would be the fact that the update brings in a requirement for longer-term effectiveness of the catalytic converter. It seems the Euro5 allowed for a simple mathematical estimate of the durability of the cat, but Euro 5+ seems to require an actual test to see if it remains efficient long term.

The other possibility may be that they don't think the bike will meet new reduced noise limits.
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The Spin Doctor wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2024 11:51 am It's a bit of a puzzler because Euro5+ isn't any tougher in terms of emissions, which is what killed off many of the previous generation of machines - in fact as I understand it, it keeps the current emission limits which I assume has been where all the hard work has been put it.

If I had to guess, it would be the fact that the update brings in a requirement for longer-term effectiveness of the catalytic converter. It seems the Euro5 allowed for a simple mathematical estimate of the durability of the cat, but Euro 5+ seems to require an actual test to see if it remains efficient long term.

The other possibility may be that they don't think the bike will meet new reduced noise limits.
My GSXR1000 with standard pipe is much quieter than my ring-a-ding-ding GasGas 300 :obscene-birdiedoublered:
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Always liked a bit of ring-ding-ding...

There's a good article on Euro5 here:

https://www.honda.co.uk/engineroom/bike ... explained/
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Perhaps people are just not buying sports bike anymore ...
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The R1 I had was one of the first in the UK, R998RRT, mostly because the bloke who owned it before worked for a Yamaha dealers.
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Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2024 12:23 pm The R1 I had was one of the first in the UK, R998RRT, mostly because the bloke who owned it before worked for a Yamaha dealers.
One year at Donington I saw R1YAM and B16CBR on Fireblade about late 90s
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Yorick wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2024 12:25 pm
Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2024 12:23 pm The R1 I had was one of the first in the UK, R998RRT, mostly because the bloke who owned it before worked for a Yamaha dealers.
One year at Donington I saw R1YAM and B16CBR on Fireblade about late 90s
Both still going
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I doubt if my old R1 is, I bent the frame hitting an Astra with it.
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End of an era,I suppose. What few young riders there are seem to be the 'cautious,permantently worried about having an accident' type.

We are probably doomed to a future of seeing all bikes resemble the ubiquitously banal ADV style. :(
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Skub wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2024 1:23 pm End of an era,I suppose. What few young riders there are seem to be the 'cautious,permantently worried about having an accident' type.

We are probably doomed to a future of seeing all bikes resemble the ubiquitously banal ADV style. :(
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Skub wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2024 1:23 pm
We are probably doomed to a future of seeing all bikes resemble the ubiquitously banal ADV style. :(
I tend to agree,but I really hope your'e wrong...
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Bustaspoke wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2024 3:29 pm
Skub wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2024 1:23 pm
We are probably doomed to a future of seeing all bikes resemble the ubiquitously banal ADV style. :(
I tend to agree,but I really hope your'e wrong...
We can always go back in time. Plenty there to entertain. :thumbup:
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Bustaspoke wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2024 3:29 pm
Skub wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2024 1:23 pm
We are probably doomed to a future of seeing all bikes resemble the ubiquitously banal ADV style. :(
I tend to agree,but I really hope your'e wrong...
Already there.

There are hardly any proper 'tourers' now. Honda have the Wing, BMW the twin RT and 6cyl LT.

Everything else is styled to look like an adventure bike. Even the GTX-GT has the 'pointy' styling.
Even bland can be a type of character :wave:
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Skub wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2024 1:23 pm End of an era,I suppose. What few young riders there are seem to be the 'cautious,permantently worried about having an accident' type.

We are probably doomed to a future of seeing all bikes resemble the ubiquitously banal ADV style. :(
You ridden in London recently? ;)
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The Spin Doctor wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:29 pm
Skub wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2024 1:23 pm End of an era,I suppose. What few young riders there are seem to be the 'cautious,permantently worried about having an accident' type.

We are probably doomed to a future of seeing all bikes resemble the ubiquitously banal ADV style. :(
You ridden in London recently? ;)
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Looking on howmanyleft.com - may or may not be correct - last year saw 23 R1-Ms and 3 R1s newly registered in the UK - it's not Euro5+ killing them off.
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Yorick wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2024 11:54 am
The Spin Doctor wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2024 11:51 am It's a bit of a puzzler because Euro5+ isn't any tougher in terms of emissions, which is what killed off many of the previous generation of machines - in fact as I understand it, it keeps the current emission limits which I assume has been where all the hard work has been put it.

If I had to guess, it would be the fact that the update brings in a requirement for longer-term effectiveness of the catalytic converter. It seems the Euro5 allowed for a simple mathematical estimate of the durability of the cat, but Euro 5+ seems to require an actual test to see if it remains efficient long term.

The other possibility may be that they don't think the bike will meet new reduced noise limits.
My GSXR1000 with standard pipe is much quieter than my ring-a-ding-ding GasGas 300 :obscene-birdiedoublered:
Are you sure?
2t run at 8kHz, which coincidentally is just the frequency that humans find most annoying.
4t tend to be more bass-y and with 4 cylinders to smooth the pulses out.
Be interesting to put a dB meter on them both.
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Skub wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2024 3:47 pm
Bustaspoke wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2024 3:29 pm
Skub wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2024 1:23 pm
We are probably doomed to a future of seeing all bikes resemble the ubiquitously banal ADV style. :(
I tend to agree,but I really hope your'e wrong...
We can always go back in time. Plenty there to entertain. :thumbup:
Not if they legislate older bikes off the road :thumbdown: