Israel's war with Hamas (and other Iran proxies)

[Count Steer]

'As of the end of January, 370 Palestinians have been killed in the West Bank, 94 of them children, since the 7 October attack on Israel, according to the UN.'

370? That's out by a factor of at least 50, if all the reports I've read are true.

In the West Bank?

(They've also cancelled the Israel work permits of 200,000 West Bank workers due to 'security concerns', many of them in the construction industries, so that's 200k unemployed sitting around. Idle hands and all that...you'd almost think they want the West Bank to kick off as well).

[Cousin Jack]

(They've also cancelled the Israel work permits of 200,000 West Bank workers due to 'security concerns', many of them in the construction industries, so that's 200k unemployed sitting around. Idle hands and all that...you'd almost think they want the West Bank to kick off as well).

They do, or at least the hard line Zioists do. It is their land, and they want any others gone, into the sea or wherever. It is their destiny, Jehova said so.

With that sort of logic can you blame Hammas? If I were a Palestinian teenager I would be wanting a Kalashnikov for my birthday.

[mangocrazy]

They do, or at least the hard line Zionists do. It is their land, and they want any others gone, into the sea or wherever. It is their destiny, Jehova said so.

With that sort of logic can you blame Hammas? If I were a Palestinian teenager I would be wanting a Kalashnikov for my birthday.

And that is the long term-take away from this. Israel's genocidal actions in plain sight of the world will simply act as a recruiting sergeant for anti-Israeli sentiment. The Middle East has a long memory - they still refer to slights and injustices that occurred thousands of years ago. Israel's action will echo down the ages and will most definitely come back to bite them hard. It may happen in a few years or in decades or even centuries, but it will happen.

[Bigjawa]

They do, or at least the hard line Zionists do. It is their land, and they want any others gone, into the sea or wherever. It is their destiny, Jehova said so.

With that sort of logic can you blame Hammas? If I were a Palestinian teenager I would be wanting a Kalashnikov for my birthday.

And that is the long term-take away from this. Israel's genocidal actions in plain sight of the world will simply act as a recruiting sergeant for anti-Israeli sentiment. The Middle East has a long memory - they still refer to slights and injustices that occurred thousands of years ago. Israel's action will echo down the ages and will most definitely come back to bite them hard. It may happen in a few years or in decades or even centuries, but it will happen.

Yep, the same thing happened here on a smaller scale, leading to stupid yanks sending vast amounts of money and arms to fund the IRA, along with God knows how many marxist regimes sending AKs and semtex by the container load.

It's the reason Ian Paisley was never taken out, he was the best recruiter/fundraiser that republican terrorists could ever have. And he was so predictable in his routine, anyone who could pull a trigger could have shot him from literally 3 feet away, but he was too valuable. Hell, apart from Brighton, they didn't even have a serious go at Maggie, and even that was a long shot.

Israel/Palestine is like NI in that the conflict will never end no matter what happens, there'll always be the potential for violence.

[irie]

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Israel/Palestine is like NI in that the conflict will never end no matter what happens, there'll always be the potential for violence.

This ^^^

[demographic]

Well its not going to e d as long as the yanks keep funding the genocide anyway.

Interesting to note the holocaust survivors who are dead set against what Israel is doing though.
Also the way people say that Hamas is hiding amongst civillians.
Gaza is one of the most densely populated areas on earth where nobody can get out of the way from 200Lb bombs the Israel's drop.
Where else would they be?

IIRC the Jewish partisans in Belarus fought a gorilla campaign against the Nazis. But its not OK for people to fight back against them eh?

Pretty damn sure that if you came and killed my entire family or stole my land I would fight against you, wouldn't have to join Hamas.

Israel has been bulldozing Palestinians homes and settling on their land for decades, in contravention of international law, at what point does the United States defund them for it?

[Cousin Jack]

The US sticks with them for 2 reasons.

A) There are a lot of very rich Jewish Americans.
B) There an even larger number of Christian Americans who believe in some weird thing in the Bible about "the Rapture'. Something about Israel fighting the last war followed by the 2nd coming of Christ.

Taken together, abandoning Israel is seen as a good way to get unelected in American politics.

[JackyJoll]

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Israel/Palestine is like NI in that the conflict will never end no matter what happens, there'll always be the potential for violence.

If it’s always going to be that bad, Israel isn’t making it worse.

[Yambo]

The US sticks with them for 2 reasons.

A) There are a lot of very rich Jewish Americans.
B) There an even larger number of Christian Americans who believe in some weird thing in the Bible about "the Rapture'. Something about Israel fighting the last war followed by the 2nd coming of Christ.

Taken together, abandoning Israel is seen as a good way to get unelected in American politics.

And yet there are some Christians who hate the Jews for killing the Jesus chap . . .

I guess it's complicated.

[mangocrazy]

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Israel/Palestine is like NI in that the conflict will never end no matter what happens, there'll always be the potential for violence.

It’s always going to be that way, but Israel is making it much worse.

FTFY

[Mr Moofo]

I think we have reached a point where the USA have to reel Netanyahu in - the only solution to this, ultimately is to set up a Palestinian state. I can fully see why N doesn't want to do it as a reward for the attacks - but a clear end point "Free the remaining hostages and hand over the Hamas high command, and this is what you get in return".
Israel have gone from having support for their actions to utter incredulity at their continuing actions. They, of all people, should know better about pursuing final solutions.

[Cousin Jack]

And yet there are some Christians who hate the Jews for killing the Jesus chap . . .

I guess it's complicated.

All religion is complicated.

And fabricated.

[JackyJoll]

the only solution to this, ultimately is to set up a Palestinian state. I can fully see why N doesn't want to do it as a reward for the attacks

I can see why Israel might be reluctant to set up an aggressive hostile nation state on, or within, Israel’s borders.

[Mr Moofo]

the only solution to this, ultimately is to set up a Palestinian state. I can fully see why N doesn't want to do it as a reward for the attacks

I can see why Israel might be reluctant to set up an aggressive hostile nation state on, or within, Israel’s borders.

That has to be part of any settlement - Hamas and the childish rocket launching would have to cease.
It's not like Israel's geography sits them amongst friends - but that's what geographical history does - Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Saudi , Iraq , Iran but that is the world over

[David]

Is it not about time that Iran got a whack on the peepee...they cause no end of shit around the middle east and elsewhere...

[irie]

Seems to be the bottom line.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/gantz-isr ... y-ramadan/

Gantz: Israel will launch Rafah offensive if hostages not returned by Ramadan

War cabinet minister says ‘to those saying the price is too high, Hamas has a choice — they can surrender’; warns Israel is ready ‘to wage a war in Lebanon’ as well

If hostages held in Gaza are not freed within the next few weeks, Israel will broaden its offensive in southern Gaza and push into the city of Rafah on the Egyptian border, war cabinet member Benny Gantz warned on Sunday.

“The world must know, and Hamas leaders must know — if by Ramadan our hostages are not home, the fighting will continue everywhere, to include the Rafah area,” Gantz said.

The holy Muslim month of Ramadan begins this year on March 10.

“We will do so in a coordinated manner, facilitating the evacuation of civilians in dialogue with our American and Egyptian partners to minimize civilian casualties,” the former IDF chief of staff and defense minister told the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, as they convened in Jerusalem.

“To those saying the price [of an offensive] is too high, I say this very clearly: Hamas has a choice — they can surrender, release the hostages, and the citizens of Gaza will be able to celebrate the holy holiday of Ramadan,” he said.

[Cousin Jack]

I can see why Israel might be reluctant to set up an aggressive hostile nation state on, or within, Israel’s borders.

Of course, if they hadnt chosen to set up their "promised land' on someone else's land, all this nastiness could have been avoided.

If I were to come along and seize half your house because my god had promised it to me I an fairly certain you would try to evict me.

[Mr Moofo]

I can see why Israel might be reluctant to set up an aggressive hostile nation state on, or within, Israel’s borders.

Of course, if they hadnt chosen to set up their "promised land' on someone else's land, all this nastiness could have been avoided.

If I were to come along and seize half your house because my god had promised it to me I an fairly certain you would try to evict me.

"Someone else's land"

Hmm - the Romans kicked the Jews out of Israel and gave it to the Arabs as a new colonial settlement called "Palestine"

How long are we going back ?
Huge bits of Poland were Germany until 1945
Bits of France were English until the mid 1500s
Belgium didn't exist until recently, neither did Germany, not Italy.

And then there is the nightmare of Africa and its boundaries

[Cousin Jack]

Well ideally I would like the Britons, Romans, Saxons, Danes, Normans and everyone else to fuck off. and leave us Celts alone in what you now call England, but that is a bit much to ask.

Seriously, turning the clock back doesn't work, but a bit of sensitivity to historic stuff that might be considered a bit iffy by todays standards actually goes a long way. Jews are not all going to leave Palestine, but sharing it and playing nicely would do much to leave Hammas as a bitter and twisted minority with no popular support. The current practices are making certain that a new generation of terrorists are itching to kill more Jews.

[JackyJoll]

I can see why Israel might be reluctant to set up an aggressive hostile nation state on, or within, Israel’s borders.

Of course, if they hadnt chosen to set up their "promised land' on someone else's land, all this nastiness could have been avoided.

If I were to come along and seize half your house because my god had promised it to me I an fairly certain you would try to evict me.

“Of course, if” loads of things.