I didn't watch itwull wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 7:38 pmTaff wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 7:32 pmthis would entirely depend on what the flight manual says to do in response to the indication, it would be surprising if the airline 'ignored' the indication, more like deferred the maintenance to the next A check (or whatever it's called for this type). no-one else will defer the maintenance after this though, proper LFEwull wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 5:17 pm
But with that being said I’m still convinced like I had said initially that they are connected, I want to know if they manually checked the pressurisation of the cabin to find possible leaks and that their attention should have been drawn to doors especially a plugged one.
For context, every aircraft has a 'Minimum Equipment List' that tells the pilot what system failures they can continue flying with (e.g. 1 out of 4 generators failed) and how long they can continue flying for which could be up to 500 flying hours depending on what the failure is. Even the engine control can carry failures for hundreds of hours.
https://wwwapps2.tc.gc.ca/saf-sec-sur/2 ... _737_8.pdf
That’s all mentioned in the video.
The Boeing 737 thread redux.
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uh oh...
https://viewfromthewing.com/boeing-whis ... installed/
https://viewfromthewing.com/boeing-whis ... installed/
How's that working out for ya?Boeing outsources a lot of the production of components for its aircraft because it’s cheaper as part of an overall shift in strategy that dates to CEO Harry Stonecipher who had been CEO of McDonnell Douglas,
When people say I changed the culture of Boeing, that was the intent, so that it’s run like a business rather than a great engineering firm.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68220627
A door that blew away from a Boeing 737 Max shortly after take-off may not have been properly secured, a new report says.
The US National Transportation Safety Board has released initial findings from its probe into the incident on an Alaska Airlines plane in January.
It says four key bolts that were meant to lock the unused door to the fuselage appeared to be missing.
The incident happened minutes after Alaska Airlines Flight 1282 took off.
The missing bolts appeared to have allowed the door panel to move out of position and break away from the aircraft, the report says.
The panel covering an unused emergency exit - known as a door plug - blew out, leaving a gaping hole in the side of themain body of the aircraft, or the fuselage.
The door plug was manufactured by Boeing's supplier Spirit AeroSystems, and originally installed in the fuselage before being delivered to the aerospace giant.
According to the preliminary report, this door plug was later removed in the factory due to damage that had occurred during the production process.
Photographic evidence suggests that when the plug was reinstalled, at least three of the four locking bolts were not put back in place.
Spirit AeroSystems said it remain focused on working closely with Boeing and regulators "on continuous improvement in our processes and meeting the highest standards of safety, quality and reliability".
Damage to the door plug and its hinges, as well as a lack of damage to the areas where the bolts should have been, suggests that the bolts were missing before the door moved out of its normal position, the report said.
A door that blew away from a Boeing 737 Max shortly after take-off may not have been properly secured, a new report says.
The US National Transportation Safety Board has released initial findings from its probe into the incident on an Alaska Airlines plane in January.
It says four key bolts that were meant to lock the unused door to the fuselage appeared to be missing.
The incident happened minutes after Alaska Airlines Flight 1282 took off.
The missing bolts appeared to have allowed the door panel to move out of position and break away from the aircraft, the report says.
The panel covering an unused emergency exit - known as a door plug - blew out, leaving a gaping hole in the side of themain body of the aircraft, or the fuselage.
The door plug was manufactured by Boeing's supplier Spirit AeroSystems, and originally installed in the fuselage before being delivered to the aerospace giant.
According to the preliminary report, this door plug was later removed in the factory due to damage that had occurred during the production process.
Photographic evidence suggests that when the plug was reinstalled, at least three of the four locking bolts were not put back in place.
Spirit AeroSystems said it remain focused on working closely with Boeing and regulators "on continuous improvement in our processes and meeting the highest standards of safety, quality and reliability".
Damage to the door plug and its hinges, as well as a lack of damage to the areas where the bolts should have been, suggests that the bolts were missing before the door moved out of its normal position, the report said.
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Boeing were probably hoping for 'magic' ....
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https://www.seattletimes.com/business/b ... n-the-air/
Little noticed, the Federal Aviation Administration in December published a Boeing request for an exemption from key safety standards on the 737 MAX 7 — the still-uncertified smallest member of Boeing’s newest jet family.
Since August, earlier models of the MAX currently flying passengers in the U.S. have had to limit use of the jet’s engine anti-ice system after Boeing discovered a defect in the system with potentially catastrophic consequences.
The flaw could cause the inlet at the front end of the pod surrounding the engine — known as a nacelle — to break and fall off.
In an August Airworthiness Directive, the FAA stated that debris from such a breakup could penetrate the fuselage, putting passengers seated at windows behind the wings in danger, and could damage the wing or tail of the plane, “which could result in loss of control of the airplane.”
Little noticed, the Federal Aviation Administration in December published a Boeing request for an exemption from key safety standards on the 737 MAX 7 — the still-uncertified smallest member of Boeing’s newest jet family.
Since August, earlier models of the MAX currently flying passengers in the U.S. have had to limit use of the jet’s engine anti-ice system after Boeing discovered a defect in the system with potentially catastrophic consequences.
The flaw could cause the inlet at the front end of the pod surrounding the engine — known as a nacelle — to break and fall off.
In an August Airworthiness Directive, the FAA stated that debris from such a breakup could penetrate the fuselage, putting passengers seated at windows behind the wings in danger, and could damage the wing or tail of the plane, “which could result in loss of control of the airplane.”
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Boeing whistleblower John Barnett found dead in US. Barnett blew the whistle on alleged safety problems at Boeing and had been giving evidence in a lawsuit against the company
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 11050.html
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My first thought was is Boeing run or shares held by Putin, as this is the sort of 'accident' that befalls anyone speaking up against him?Pirahna wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 8:36 am Boeing whistleblower John Barnett found dead in US. Barnett blew the whistle on alleged safety problems at Boeing and had been giving evidence in a lawsuit against the company
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 11050.html
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he was found dead from what appeared to be a self-inflicted gunshot wound,Nordboy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 5:40 pmMy first thought was is Boeing run or shares held by Putin, as this is the sort of 'accident' that befalls anyone speaking up against him?Pirahna wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 8:36 am Boeing whistleblower John Barnett found dead in US. Barnett blew the whistle on alleged safety problems at Boeing and had been giving evidence in a lawsuit against the company
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 11050.html
So I suppose it depends on whether that suicide was 'assisted'?
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It really is all too convenient, seeing as he'd been giving testimony the previous day. The 'assisted suicide' thing reminds me of the scene in Shooter.
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Applying Occam what do you think is most likely?mangocrazy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 9:13 pm It really is all too convenient, seeing as he'd been giving testimony the previous day. The 'assisted suicide' thing reminds me of the scene in Shooter.
A) A man who has probably been under enormous personal stress, who has lost his career, his financial security and possibly his family decided to end his life in a fairly common way given the availability of guns in the US.
B) that Boeing keep an international team of assassins on hand ready to pounce.
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Tricky, but on balance I'd go for A. Wouldn't rule B out though.wheelnut wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 9:29 pmApplying Occam what do you think is most likely?mangocrazy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 9:13 pm It really is all too convenient, seeing as he'd been giving testimony the previous day. The 'assisted suicide' thing reminds me of the scene in Shooter.
A) A man who has retired from his career, has been a consistent thorn in Boeing's side with his insider information and who was ready to unleash even more damaging information in court has had his life ended by person or persons unknown endeavoring to make his death look like suicide.
B) that Boeing keep an international team of assassins on hand ready to pounce.
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Orwheelnut wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 9:29 pmApplying Occam what do you think is most likely?mangocrazy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 9:13 pm It really is all too convenient, seeing as he'd been giving testimony the previous day. The 'assisted suicide' thing reminds me of the scene in Shooter.
A) A man who has probably been under enormous personal stress, who has lost his career, his financial security and possibly his family decided to end his life in a fairly common way given the availability of guns in the US.
B) that Boeing keep an international team of assassins on hand ready to pounce.
C) That he knew something about the Clintons. (That's my first thought whenever I hear of an (alleged) assisted suicide.)
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Boeing in yet more trouble - Boeing plane investigated after 'Dutch roll'
US regulators are investigating after an incident in which a Boeing 737 Max 8 flown by Southwest Airlines rocked side to side while in air, in a potentially dangerous movement known as a "Dutch roll".
It is one of two new inquiries involving Boeing planes that the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has recently confirmed.
The agency is also involved after Boeing reported learning of potentially falsified documents used to certify titanium used in its planes.
The issues have emerged at a time when the safety record of Boeing planes is under intense scrutiny.
Boeing referred questions about the Southwest flight to the airline, which said it was cooperating with the investigation.
Boeing said the issue involving titanium was "industry-wide" involving shipments from a limited set of suppliers.
It said tests performed so far indicate that the correct alloy was used, despite the false documentation.
It said it sourced the metal separately from its supplier and it believed a small number of parts had been affected.
"To ensure compliance, we are removing any affected parts on airplanes prior to delivery. Our analysis shows the in-service fleet can continue to fly safely,” the company said.
The New York Times, which first reported the issue, said a supplier to Spirit Aerosystems, which makes parts for Boeing and European plane-maker Airbus, started looking into the issue after noticing holes from corrosion.
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Can it get much more embarrassing for Boeing?
Astronauts stranded by failed Boeing rocket to be rescued by SpaceX.
BBC News - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cj087pp4e75t
Nasa announcement on stranded Starliner astronauts Sunita Williams and Butch Wilmore - BBC News
Astronauts stranded by failed Boeing rocket to be rescued by SpaceX.
BBC News - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cj087pp4e75t
Nasa announcement on stranded Starliner astronauts Sunita Williams and Butch Wilmore - BBC News
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I just seen this on the BBC news website and recognised Sunita straightaway, there’s a cool video on YouTube where she gives a tour of the space station which I had watched years ago. She’s obviously been up there a good few times over the years.
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