Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DOP with prop gun!

[DefTrap]

With the film technology available today you'd think the days of needing to use realistic weaponry had passed a long time ago. Even Tom Cruise doesn't insist on being shot in the head in the spirit of film authenticity.

He's probably guilty of being a careless showoff. Other than that I would say liability probably lies elsewhere.

[MrLongbeard]

With the film technology available today you'd think the days of needing to use realistic weaponry had passed a long time ago.

Geeks sitting at a PC for days on end inserting visual & sound effects would probably cost a whole hell of a lot more than an actual gun

[DefTrap]

Geeks sitting at a PC for days on end inserting visual & sound effects would probably cost a whole hell of a lot more than an actual gun

More expensive than the insurance, trained people, health and safety paperwork as long as your arm?

I reckon A.I could do it almost as fast as you can type it.
Or Delhi geeks work all day for tuppence halfpenny.

[MrLongbeard]

Geeks sitting at a PC for days on end inserting visual & sound effects would probably cost a whole hell of a lot more than an actual gun

More expensive than the insurance, trained people, health and safety paperwork as long as your arm?

I reckon A.I could do it almost as fast as you can type it.
Or Delhi geeks work all day for tuppence halfpenny.

Probably yes, your computer bod will need an office, a contract, insurance, an OSHA certified potpourri burner, it all adds up, I doubt you're man i India would meet the union requirements.
And after having seen AI generated images of guns I think the gun / prop / visual effects peeps are safe for a few more years yet.

[ZRX61]

In other news, he just cut the price of his hovel in the Hamptons from $29M to a mere $19M.

[Felix]

How the fuck do I know. Maybe he's scared of internet wankers deciding he's guilty who were not actually there.

FFS all this should never even be discussed in public, it should be taken care of quietly and sorted in the court system, if necessary.

There's people who've killed someone here and lost someone and all you can do is be a fucking vulture pulling someone's life apart who you've never met based upon nothing more than internet gossip and bollocks

My opinion of him is based on the run ins he's had with the public, the media, the cops & child protective services etc (none of which is internet gossip & bollocks). He's in ignorant, egotistical, alky, child abusing twunt.
I look forward to your defense of his drunken tirade against his daughter... (the audio is online)

I dont think he will give a shit what some old English Expat thinks of him. If he was reading this now he would be thinking "ZRX61, I have seen some of his films in TRC. Fucking amateur"

[irie]

He was told it wasn't a real gun. It's not a real gun if it's not supposed to be allowed to fire real bullets. It's then a pretend gun.

I'm told lots of things by lots of people but I don't accept any of them unquestioningly.

[weeksy]

He was told it wasn't a real gun. It's not a real gun if it's not supposed to be allowed to fire real bullets. It's then a pretend gun.

I'm told lots of things by lots of people but I don't accept any of them unquestioningly.

congratulations.

"This plane will take off and fly you to your destination" you don't accept that ?
"this pump serves petrol" you check to make sure it's not diesel that comes out ?
"this water in your tap isn't poisoned" you test every glass of water ?

You're being a bit dense here, of course you accept them, that's life/society. If i jump on a mates motorbike i don't check the brakes are fully bled and no leaks, you accept it's a working motorbike.

If i'm working on a film set and i'm handed a gun by a gun-person who tells me "it's safe" then i'd say it's pretty reasonable to assume as a person who does this for a living they're pretty clued up on what's safe.

[irie]

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You're being a bit dense here.
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I could provide a reasoned reply to your post but your measured and carefully reasoned response has removed the need to do so!

[weeksy]

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You're being a bit dense here.
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Thanks for that measured and carefully reasoned response!

So you're ignoring the rest of it.. as usual. Pick out something you can disagree with and run with that.. Which seems very much how you work. Crack on.

[irie]

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You're being a bit dense here.
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Thanks for that measured and carefully reasoned response!

So you're ignoring the rest of it.. as usual. Pick out something you can disagree with and run with that.. Which seems very much how you work. Crack on.

See my edit above which crossed your reply.

Edit: on the one hand you discourage ad hominems and at the same time resort to them yourself!

[weeksy]

Thanks for that measured and carefully reasoned response!

So you're ignoring the rest of it.. as usual. Pick out something you can disagree with and run with that.. Which seems very much how you work. Crack on.

See my edit above which crossed your reply.

Typical Irie, get picked up on something and completely avoid the reply/content, only picking something completely different instead to avoid it. Yup, that's your M.O. enjoy.

[Horse]

He was told it wasn't a real gun. It's not a real gun if it's not supposed to be allowed to fire real bullets. It's then a pretend gun.

I'm told lots of things by lots of people but I don't accept any of them unquestioningly.

Are we supposed to believe that?

[weeksy]

Edit: on the one hand you discourage ad hominems and at the same time resort to them yourself!

the joy of being the boss

FWIW i didn't call you dense... i said you were being dense here

[irie]

So you're ignoring the rest of it.. as usual. Pick out something you can disagree with and run with that.. Which seems very much how you work. Crack on.

See my edit above which crossed your reply.

Typical Irie, get picked up on something and completely avoid the reply/content, only picking something completely different instead to avoid it. Yup, that's your M.O. enjoy.

Your use of ad hominems is hypocritical.

If I respond to your 3 random examples ...

"This plane will take off and fly you to your destination" you don't accept that ?
"this pump serves petrol" you check to make sure it's not diesel that comes out ?
"this water in your tap isn't poisoned" you test every glass of water ?

... there are sure to be more ad nauseam, until you feel you've justified your unquestioning attitude to life.

[weeksy]

See my edit above which crossed your reply.

Typical Irie, get picked up on something and completely avoid the reply/content, only picking something completely different instead to avoid it. Yup, that's your M.O. enjoy.

Your use of ad hominems is hypocritical.

If I respond to your 3 random examples ...

"This plane will take off and fly you to your destination" you don't accept that ?
"this pump serves petrol" you check to make sure it's not diesel that comes out ?
"this water in your tap isn't poisoned" you test every glass of water ?

... there are sure to be more ad nauseam, until you feel you've justified your unquestioning attitude to life.

So still not answering the question ?

[weeksy]

Your use of ad hominems is hypocritical.

Welcome to the world son, no-one said it was fair

[Greenman]

He was told it wasn't a real gun. It's not a real gun if it's not supposed to be allowed to fire real bullets. It's then a pretend gun.

I'm told lots of things by lots of people but I don't accept any of them unquestioningly.

congratulations.

"This plane will take off and fly you to your destination" you don't accept that ?
"this pump serves petrol" you check to make sure it's not diesel that comes out ?
"this water in your tap isn't poisoned" you test every glass of water ?

You're being a bit dense here, of course you accept them, that's life/society. If i jump on a mates motorbike i don't check the brakes are fully bled and no leaks, you accept it's a working motorbike.

If i'm working on a film set and i'm handed a gun by a gun-person who tells me "it's safe" then i'd say it's pretty reasonable to assume as a person who does this for a living they're pretty clued up on what's safe.

You do make me laugh sometimes.

None of those examples equates to YOU making a decision on something that could kill someone else, they are daily risks that me and you and everyone else has to take on a daily basis as we don't have any other choice, a normal part of society as you say.

Making a decision PERSONALLY to act on something for a laugh that could cause end of life is something YOU should question daily. YOU have to take responsibility for your own actions, others incompetence is not your responsibility to police, as, well, you just can't.

[DefTrap]

None of those examples equates to YOU making a decision on something that could kill someone else, they are daily risks that me and you and everyone else has to take on a daily basis as we don't have any other choice, a normal part of society as you say.

Making a decision PERSONALLY to act on something for a laugh that could cause end of life is something YOU should question daily. YOU have to take responsibility for your own actions, others incompetence is not your responsibility to police, as, well, you just can't.

If something is risky enough to cause harm then someone will have written a procedure and assigned responsibilities. So, in weeksy's examples, process / responsibility is likely to be assigned to AirlinePilot / ForecourtManagerGuy / WaterboardGuy respectively. End users have to have some expectation that the members of the process have acted responsibly. This is for controllable scenarios anyway

So, it depends whether there was a controlled process to follow and what Baldwin's part was in the process and what was expected of him having being handed a gun on set.

Probably they'll determine that the process was non existent, shit or someone winged it because they knew best.

[Cousin Jack]

IIRC Baldwin was a bit more than just the actor who pulled the trigger. He effectively controlled the set, and hired the 'armourer' who had never done that job before, and she and/or Baldwin allowed live rounds on set.

That is a bit different from believing a professional when you are told an aeroplane will fly.