If we concede that it CAN do that, is the fact that it so rarely does perhaps the reason for the actions of the bike owner in this case?the_priest wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:05 pmSuprisingly it can, if it is well run, properly staffed and given the resources needed for rehabilitation. And yes, it is expensive, it is hard work and it is a difficult job, but it can be successful. It is cheaper to do that than to have reoffending criminals on the streets and it is better for society as a whole. But of course, treating prisoners like humans is just not on is it? Says me who did work with Chaplains in a real prison.slowsider wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 2:31 pmYou think prison does that?the_priest wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:49 pm
Seriously?? No, I get them sent to prison to pay their debt to society, and also ensure they are further educated and released back into society equipped to work for a living, make a contribution to society in a meaninful way and have the ability to pay taxes. You'd think it was wishful thinking right? Go and sin no more. That is what Jesus said to sinners.
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No sympathy for the thieves, fuck em. Wish there was video of the collision.
Those who possess real knowledge are rare.
Those who can set that knowledge into motion in the physical world are rarer still.
The few who possess real knowledge and can set it into motion of their own hands are the rarest of all.
Those who can set that knowledge into motion in the physical world are rarer still.
The few who possess real knowledge and can set it into motion of their own hands are the rarest of all.
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Spot on IMO.Yambo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:39 pm It's not difficult to understand why people may want to take the law into their own hands. [s]They are of course all right wing disciples of Margaret Thatcher[/s]
When there aren't enough coppers around to apprehend the scrotes, it takes months to get the fuckers into court and the criminal justice system takes 70 offences into consideration but only gives the scrote a punishment that doesn't even fit one of them, is it any wonder that it may seem more efficient to have a go at them yourselves? Unfortunately, the same courts that will simply admonish those that steal will go to the ends of the earth to punish a generally law abiding citizen who was failed by the system.
There is a rotten side of society populated by people who think it is OK to simply steal other people's possessions.There is no discipline, no punishment, no respect for others or the law. It is a sickness and it seems that a whole swathe of society is quite prepared to accept it.
It could be argued that those who are prepared to accept the situation as it is are also sick. And part of the problem.
If we relied on the police to tackle every single scrote in every situation we would need to employ 50% of the population to police our streets!
If we as citizens show that we will not allow the scrotes to take things from us without a fight, the scrotes might think twice about committing the offence, however, if the police are going to then charge the victim with a crime, maybe we should just start going out on the rob too!
It's all about prevention rather than cure. If you are going to make it common knowledge that if you rob a moped the police won't pursue you then it's free fucking reign to go rob a moped, if it was common knowledge that if you steal a moped/bike and the victim can act in a way that will stop hios possessions from being taken, or indeed the notion that the police will pursue you and prosecute you then maybe that will deter the offenders a bit more.
It's like the stolen motorbike issue i had back in my old Gaff. Numerous stolen motorcycles being ridden around over a period of about 2 years, police called and attended on numerous occasions but said they were not aben to pursue stolen motorbikes, so i took it in my own hands, and the problem was solved there and then, no court case, no-one except the scrote got hurt, win win.
If you think not acting to defend your possessions or family from these scrotes if the correct way to go, then i think you need to have a word with yourself and man the fuck up, oh, and pay double the tax bill so you can have extra bobbies on the street that will have 0 powers to do anything at all!
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Weirdly though, people seem to be able to run cyclists off the road and hurt/kill them with very little in the way of punishment.Yorick wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:08 pm This guy got what he deserved....
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-54874870
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He only broke the mirror!Yorick wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:08 pm This guy got what he deserved....
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-54874870
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Generally most bikers/cyclists who cop are somehow deemed at fault and somehow deserve it due to driver's stereotype perceptions of rider's shortcomings. It seems you need a massive amount of witnesses to overcome this.weeksy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:10 pmWeirdly though, people seem to be able to run cyclists off the road and hurt/kill them with very little in the way of punishment.Yorick wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:08 pm This guy got what he deserved....
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-54874870
As to the original story, I am at a bit of a loss as to how the guy manages to catch up with the thieves; are they poor riders or on a moped (I know the media do not always make a distinction between the two)?
Surely it would be easier to follow at a safe distance, call the police (hands free, obviously) and claim two black guys, one of whom might be Muslim, had stolen his BMW. Once intercepted, apologise for mistaking white guys for black and a BMW for a Cub 90, but encourage the officers to kneel on their necks for nine minutes, maybe