The Boeing 737 thread redux.

[wull]

Bugger that. The amount of incidents or 7700 squawks that happen on a daily basis is scary, albeit the majority of the time there is no major incident but it still puts me on edge.

Yet I remember seeing a video of your riding …..

People are strange.

Yeah can’t argue with that

[Horse]

https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/compani ... r-AA16M4Mt

Boeing Co pleaded not guilty on Thursday to a 737 MAX fraud conspiracy felony charge after families objected to a 2021 Justice Department agreement to resolve the investigation into the plane's flawed design.

Boeing’s chief safety officer, Mike Delaney, entered the not-guilty plea on behalf of the planemaker at a three-hour hearing. A not-guilty plea is standard in deferred prosecution agreements.

U.S. District Judge Reed O'Connor last week ordered Boeing to appear to be arraigned after he ruled that people killed in the two Boeing 737 MAX crashes are legally considered "crime victims."

[Lutin]

Seems Boeing are in the news again - United flight 1722: US to investigate Boeing 777's mysterious nosedive

US air safety officials say they will investigate why a Boeing 777 jet unexpectedly lost altitude and nearly plunged into the Pacific Ocean.

United Airlines flight 1722 had left Maui on 18 December and was climbing when it suddenly plummeted 1,400ft (425m), reports say.

It stabilised at just 775ft in altitude and went on to land safely in San Francisco 27 minutes early.

Its adds to a number of near misses involving planes this year.

The flight was going normally until 71 seconds after take-off from Kahului Airport when it suddenly dropped in elevation, according to Flightradar24, an aviation website.

The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), which investigates US plane crashes, will produce a report about the incident within three weeks.

I wonder if Air India are worried - Air India reveals orders for 470 Boeing, Airbus jets

LONDON -- Air India unveiled orders Tuesday for 470 Boeing and Airbus passenger jets as it races to tap surging demand for increasingly affordable air travel from the nation's growing ranks of middle-class consumers.

The Boeing order includes 190 737 Max aircraft, 20 of its 787s, and 10 of its 777Xs. The purchase includes customer options for an additional 50 737 MAXs and 20 of its 787s, which would make it 290 airplanes for a total of $45.9 billion at list price.

[Horse]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67903655

FAA grounds 171 Boeing planes after mid-air blowout

The US airline regulator has ordered the temporary grounding of some Boeing 737 Max 9 jets after an outer section of one of the planes fell off during an Alaska Airlines flight.

Boeing are going to struggle to blame pilot training for this one ...

[Yorick]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67903655

FAA grounds 171 Boeing planes after mid-air blowout

The US airline regulator has ordered the temporary grounding of some Boeing 737 Max 9 jets after an outer section of one of the planes fell off during an Alaska Airlines flight.

Boeing are going to struggle to blame pilot training for this one ...

Honda would have said it was an electrical problem

[Mr. Dazzle]

I initially thought it was the emergency exit from the pics, but it maybe doesn't look to be the case?

Gives me an excuse to post this though

[Horse]

I initially thought it was the emergency exit from the pics, but it maybe doesn't look to be the case?

BBC show:

[Cousin Jack]

Apparently in some versions it is an emergency exit, but not in the Alaska Airlines version.

[Horse]

Apparently in some versions it is an emergency exit, but not in the Alaska Airlines version.

Even if it was an emergency exit, I don't think the frame is supposed to open too.

[Horse]

Roughly 'door' shaped hole ....



In roughly the right place

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[KungFooBob]

Ryanscare have started selling that as an extra... the 'sky view' seat.

[Yorick]

Ryanscare have started selling that as an extra... the 'sky view' seat.

With extra leg room

[wheelnut]

It’s ok, Boeing have sent some accountants to investigate.

[tricol]

It's a plugged emergency exit. I don't think this is specifically a Boeing issue per say, perhaps a delivery inspection issue. I'm sure it will come to light. Majority of MAX's now grounded in the US. Elsewhere might follow suit and it will likely effect Ryanairs MAX's as they also have these plugged exits. Actually, they're not affected, ignore me.

[Taipan]

It’s ok, Boeing have sent some accountants to investigate.

[Horse]

When you say ...

It's a plugged emergency exit.

Does that mean it's no longer a door, with seating arranged accordingly?

And ...

I don't think this is specifically a Boeing issue per say, perhaps a delivery inspection issue.

It's already happened to other planes and could happen again to others?

ie Nothing unique to the construction of the plane?

[Mr. Dazzle]

I would imagine the hole for the door is always there, they just "brick it up" in some 'planes, so to speak.

These doors/plugs are supposed to be designed so the air pressure inside the plane forces them shut, but that only works when the plane is at altitude and inside pressure >> outside pressure. That's why the passenger doors always open inwards initially. Clearly that didn't quite work But then again, if the panel buckled/folded/creased or something it'd fit through the hole...

There have been instances of this sort of thing before. DC-10s had several instances of cargo doors opening mid flight (those have to open outwards due to being larger). There was a famous BA flight where the windscreen departed, nearly taking one of the pilots with it.

[Horse]

There was a famous BA flight where the windscreen departed, nearly taking one of the pilots with it.

That was due to incorrect - very slightly undersize - bolts being used.

Oh, and poor design that the window could 'open' outwards.

[wull]

There was a famous BA flight where the windscreen departed, nearly taking one of the pilots with it.

That was due to incorrect - very slightly undersize - bolts being used.

Oh, and poor design that the window could 'open' outwards.

That’s correct about the bolts, I remember watching the programme about it, the pilot was pretty much fully outside being held by his feet and legs by the other pilots.

[Skub]

Bloody hell,I thought moth had come back to the fold.