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Cousin Jack wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 11:09 pm The ME doesn't work like that, you vote for the strong guy. Hammas would probably win an election in Gazza tomorrow.
In a way, we all vote for the strong guy.

Maybe the Gaza people mistook brutality and fanaticism for actual strength.

In this conflict, Hamas took a Toyota to a tank fight.
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I don't careless about global conflicts...the human race will never change, eventually we'll be gone, Greed and a lack of food and water will see to that. Population will become unsustainable and it will become a fight for survival between the rich and powerful.

The powerdrive of greed will worsen, poor folk will struggle and class wars will worsen. I do take my hat off to Greta and the greens for trying, but in reality, they are just pissing in the wind.

Enjoy what we have for as long as possible. I believe this century will be our last.

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Dodgy69 wrote: Mon Jan 01, 2024 12:20 pm I don't careless about global conflicts...the human race will never change, eventually we'll be gone, Greed and a lack of food and water will see to that. Population will become unsustainable and it will become a fight for survival between the rich and powerful.

The powerdrive of greed will worsen, poor folk will struggle and class wars will worsen. I do take my hat off to Greta and the greens for trying, but in reality, they are just pissing in the wind.

Enjoy what we have for as long as possible. I believe this century will be our last.

Happy New Year. 😉👍

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Cousin Jack wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 10:21 pm Bit of a mismatch, terrorists killing a few hundreds versus a modern army intent on genocide...
What did they expect. See the cautionary tale here: https://www.poetrynook.com/poem/albert-and-lion. If you poke a sleeping lion with a stick you should expect to get eaten.
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Saga Lout wrote: Mon Jan 01, 2024 2:17 pm
Cousin Jack wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 10:21 pm Bit of a mismatch, terrorists killing a few hundreds versus a modern army intent on genocide...
What did they expect. See the cautionary tale here: https://www.poetrynook.com/poem/albert-and-lion. If you poke a sleeping lion with a stick you should expect to get eaten.
I didn't say it was a sensible thing to do. And the response is what you would expect - from a wild animal. A civilized human society should do better.
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Cousin Jack wrote: Mon Jan 01, 2024 2:37 pm
Saga Lout wrote: Mon Jan 01, 2024 2:17 pm
Cousin Jack wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 10:21 pm Bit of a mismatch, terrorists killing a few hundreds versus a modern army intent on genocide...
What did they expect. See the cautionary tale here: https://www.poetrynook.com/poem/albert-and-lion. If you poke a sleeping lion with a stick you should expect to get eaten.
I didn't say it was a sensible thing to do. And the response is what you would expect - from a wild animal. A civilized human society should do better.
How would you persuade Hamas not to repeat or outdo their October performance?
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JackyJoll wrote: Mon Jan 01, 2024 2:53 pm
Cousin Jack wrote: Mon Jan 01, 2024 2:37 pm
Saga Lout wrote: Mon Jan 01, 2024 2:17 pm

What did they expect. See the cautionary tale here: https://www.poetrynook.com/poem/albert-and-lion. If you poke a sleeping lion with a stick you should expect to get eaten.
I didn't say it was a sensible thing to do. And the response is what you would expect - from a wild animal. A civilized human society should do better.
How would you persuade Hamas not to repeat or outdo their October performance?
A limited military response would suffice. Genocide is OTT, but that is what some of the hard-line Zionists actually want.
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Cousin Jack wrote: Mon Jan 01, 2024 2:37 pm
Saga Lout wrote: Mon Jan 01, 2024 2:17 pm
Cousin Jack wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 10:21 pm Bit of a mismatch, terrorists killing a few hundreds versus a modern army intent on genocide...
What did they expect. See the cautionary tale here: https://www.poetrynook.com/poem/albert-and-lion. If you poke a sleeping lion with a stick you should expect to get eaten.
I didn't say it was a sensible thing to do. And the response is what you would expect - from a wild animal. A civilized human society should do better.
I suppose you could turn the other cheek. That's the Christian thing to do, but 1. neither party is Christian and 2. what happens when you run out of cheeks?
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Cousin Jack wrote: Mon Jan 01, 2024 3:01 pm
A limited military response would suffice.
Limited to what?


Genocide is OTT, but that is what some of the hard-line Zionists actually want.
Some of you guys say “genocide” a lot. Only one side in this dispute has genocide as a clearly (loudly!) stated official policy and it ain’t the Jewish side.
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JackyJoll wrote: Mon Jan 01, 2024 4:00 pm
Cousin Jack wrote: Mon Jan 01, 2024 3:01 pm
A limited military response would suffice.
Limited to what?


Genocide is OTT, but that is what some of the hard-line Zionists actually want.
Some of you guys say “genocide” a lot. Only one side in this dispute has genocide as a clearly (loudly!) stated official policy and it ain’t the Jewish side.
Yebut, the side that hasn't said genocide actually seems to be heading towards doing it.
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Cousin Jack wrote: Mon Jan 01, 2024 4:23 pm
JackyJoll wrote: Mon Jan 01, 2024 4:00 pm
Cousin Jack wrote: Mon Jan 01, 2024 3:01 pm
A limited military response would suffice.
Limited to what?


Genocide is OTT, but that is what some of the hard-line Zionists actually want.
Some of you guys say “genocide” a lot. Only one side in this dispute has genocide as a clearly (loudly!) stated official policy and it ain’t the Jewish side.
Yebut, the side that hasn't said genocide actually seems to be heading towards doing it.
Luckily*, the Islam side, that do want to commit genocide, appear to be incapable of it.

*Luckily for a lot more people than just the Israelis.

Civilians in Gaza are dying because Hamas are choosing to fight their pointless, losing war in the midst of the Gaza civilians.
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JackyJoll wrote: Mon Jan 01, 2024 4:32 pm Civilians in Gaza are dying because Hamas are choosing to fight their pointless, losing war in the midst of the Gaza civilians.
Civilians in Gaza are dying because the IDF is bombing the shit out of apartment blocks.
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mangocrazy wrote: Mon Jan 01, 2024 6:07 pm
JackyJoll wrote: Mon Jan 01, 2024 4:32 pm Civilians in Gaza are dying because Hamas are choosing to fight their pointless, losing war in the midst of the Gaza civilians.
Civilians in Gaza are dying because the IDF is bombing the shit out of apartment blocks.
Take it as a useful warning, if you ever decide to start a war, thinking you can hide behind non-combatants.
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JackyJoll wrote: Mon Jan 01, 2024 6:17 pm
mangocrazy wrote: Mon Jan 01, 2024 6:07 pm
JackyJoll wrote: Mon Jan 01, 2024 4:32 pm Civilians in Gaza are dying because Hamas are choosing to fight their pointless, losing war in the midst of the Gaza civilians.
Civilians in Gaza are dying because the IDF is bombing the shit out of apartment blocks.
Take it as a useful warning, if you ever decide to start a war, thinking you can hide behind non-combatants.
It's immaterial to the IDF. They'll bomb anyone, combatants or non-combatants.
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mangocrazy wrote: Mon Jan 01, 2024 6:23 pm
JackyJoll wrote: Mon Jan 01, 2024 6:17 pm
mangocrazy wrote: Mon Jan 01, 2024 6:07 pm
Civilians in Gaza are dying because the IDF is bombing the shit out of apartment blocks.
Take it as a useful warning, if you ever decide to start a war, thinking you can hide behind non-combatants.
It's immaterial to the IDF. They'll bomb anyone, combatants or non-combatants.

How do you know?
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JackyJoll wrote: Mon Jan 01, 2024 6:26 pm
mangocrazy wrote: Mon Jan 01, 2024 6:23 pm
JackyJoll wrote: Mon Jan 01, 2024 6:17 pm

Take it as a useful warning, if you ever decide to start a war, thinking you can hide behind non-combatants.
It's immaterial to the IDF. They'll bomb anyone, combatants or non-combatants.

How do you know?
I watch the news - try it some time.
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When did “the news” say: “They'll bomb anyone, combatants or non-combatants.”?

And which objective, impartial news service was it?
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JackyJoll wrote: Mon Jan 01, 2024 6:39 pm When did “the news” say: “They'll bomb anyone, combatants or non-combatants.”?

And which objective, impartial news service was it?
To be fair to you and your undergraduate indignance, they (and anyone waging war) will more or less disregard a certain level of innocent casualties, in pursuit of their objectives.

You’d do the same, or you would lose all your wars.
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Your steadfast denial of what should be obvious to anyone is somewhat disturbing.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/ ... ling-study

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/ ... s-in-gaza/

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/25/worl ... -toll.html

There are countless similar accounts if you have the vaguest familiarity with Google.
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JackyJoll wrote: Mon Jan 01, 2024 6:51 pm To be fair to you and your undergraduate indignance, they (and anyone waging war) will more or less disregard a certain level of innocent casualties, in pursuit of their objectives.
Well, that's all right then. I feel so reassured, especially by your patronising tone. Where do you set the threshold of 'a certain level', pray?
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