DT wrote:Ukraine shot down three Russian Su-34 fighter bombers over the southern front on Friday morning, its air force said.
Russian Telegram accounts said the aircraft were shot down by Patriot anti-aircraft missiles near Ukraine’s Kherson bridgehead over the river Dnipro.
Oleksii Danilov, secretary of Ukraine’s security council, said they had been “hunting” the three jets for a “long time”.
“These aircraft interfered and created danger for our soldiers,” he said.
The Su-34 is one of Russia’s most advanced aircraft and can carry out strikes on targets up to 600 miles away with a payload of 12 tons of bombs and missiles.
Each Su-34 is reported to cost somewhere between £28 million and £39 million.
Lt Gen Mykola Oleshchuk, the Ukrainian air force commander, said soldiers had found the message “die, f----rs” inscribed on shrapnel from a Russian Shahed drone downed overnight. “What a great idea! Here’s our answer,” he wrote on Telegram. “Today at noon on the southern front, three Russian Su-34 fighter-bombers were downed! Eternal flight, ‘brothers’!”
According to the Ukrainian military, since the beginning of the full-scale invasion of Ukraine, Russia has lost 324 warplanes and helicopters.
Russia is thought to have had around 150 Su-34s before it launched the invasion. More than 20 of them were reported as being shot down by Ukraine before Friday’s losses.
"Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people." - Giordano Bruno
irie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 8:27 pm
3 in one day, and before the F-16's arrive!
DT wrote:Ukraine shot down three Russian Su-34 fighter bombers over the southern front on Friday morning, its air force said.
Russian Telegram accounts said the aircraft were shot down by Patriot anti-aircraft missiles near Ukraine’s Kherson bridgehead over the river Dnipro.
Oleksii Danilov, secretary of Ukraine’s security council, said they had been “hunting” the three jets for a “long time”.
“These aircraft interfered and created danger for our soldiers,” he said.
The Su-34 is one of Russia’s most advanced aircraft and can carry out strikes on targets up to 600 miles away with a payload of 12 tons of bombs and missiles.
Each Su-34 is reported to cost somewhere between £28 million and £39 million.
Lt Gen Mykola Oleshchuk, the Ukrainian air force commander, said soldiers had found the message “die, f----rs” inscribed on shrapnel from a Russian Shahed drone downed overnight. “What a great idea! Here’s our answer,” he wrote on Telegram. “Today at noon on the southern front, three Russian Su-34 fighter-bombers were downed! Eternal flight, ‘brothers’!”
According to the Ukrainian military, since the beginning of the full-scale invasion of Ukraine, Russia has lost 324 warplanes and helicopters.
Russia is thought to have had around 150 Su-34s before it launched the invasion. More than 20 of them were reported as being shot down by Ukraine before Friday’s losses.
The F-16s won't be some all powerful killing machines, if they actually go over Russian territory, they'll face missiles that make old Patriots look like bottle rockets.
Bigjawa wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 12:32 pm
The F-16s won't be some all powerful killing machines, if they actually go over Russian territory, they'll face missiles that make old Patriots look like bottle rockets.
Of course F16's aren't all powerful killing machines, (imo) it's the combination of F16's + Patriots + Abrams + Leopards + Storm Shadow/ ScalpEG + ATACMS + etc. that are key.
"Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people." - Giordano Bruno
Surprised there's enough American arms available. I thought it was all tied up in helping commit genocide against the Palestinians to get Hamas back for a war crime?
demographic wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:55 pm
I thought it was all tied up in helping commit genocide against the Palestinians to get Hamas back for a war crime?
demographic wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:55 pm
I thought it was all tied up in helping commit genocide against the Palestinians to get Hamas back for a war crime?
There’s another thread for that.
Another news thread? Or do we have an ignoring genocide we're ignoring thread? Sorry I missed it.
demographic wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:55 pm
I thought it was all tied up in helping commit genocide against the Palestinians to get Hamas back for a war crime?
There’s another thread for that.
Another news thread? Or do we have an ignoring genocide we're ignoring thread? Sorry I missed it.
You mean also ignoring the "From the River to the Sea" genocide bit? Sorry, I missed it. Two sides to every story, sunshine.
"Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people." - Giordano Bruno
Another news thread? Or do we have an ignoring genocide we're ignoring thread? Sorry I missed it.
You mean also ignoring the "From the River to the Sea" genocide bit? Sorry, I missed it. Two sides to every story, sunshine.
Indeed, this from Wiki...
"The phrase has also been used by Israeli politicians. The 1977 election manifesto of the right-wing Israeli Likud party said: "Between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty."[14][15][16] Similar wording has also been used more recently by other Israeli politicians.[3] Some countries have considered criminalizing the slogan's use.[17][18]"
demographic wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 11:52 pm
Another news thread? Or do we have an ignoring genocide we're ignoring thread? Sorry I missed it.
You mean also ignoring the "From the River to the Sea" genocide bit? Sorry, I missed it. Two sides to every story, sunshine.
Indeed, this from Wiki...
"The phrase has also been used by Israeli politicians. The 1977 election manifesto of the right-wing Israeli Likud party said: "Between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty."[14][15][16] Similar wording has also been used more recently by other Israeli politicians.[3] Some countries have considered criminalizing the slogan's use.[17][18]"
The HAMAS Covenant 2017 states:
The movement
1. The Islamic Resistance Movement “Hamas” is a Palestinian Islamic national liberation and resistance movement. Its goal is to liberate Palestine and confront the Zionist project. Its frame of reference is Islam, which determines its principles, objectives and means.
The Land of Palestine
2. Palestine, which extends from the River Jordan in the east to the Mediterranean [sea] in the west and from Ras al-Naqurah in the north to Umm al-Rashrash in the south, is an integral territorial unit. It is the land and the home of the Palestinian people. The expulsion and banishment of the Palestinian people from their land and the establishment of the Zionist entity therein do not annul the right of the Palestinian people to their entire land and do not entrench any rights therein for the usurping Zionist entity.
This ^^^ is explicit and perfectly clear.
If you wish to have further discussion please start a separate thread. Thanks.
"Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people." - Giordano Bruno
You mean also ignoring the "From the River to the Sea" genocide bit? Sorry, I missed it. Two sides to every story, sunshine.
Indeed, this from Wiki...
"The phrase has also been used by Israeli politicians. The 1977 election manifesto of the right-wing Israeli Likud party said: "Between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty."[14][15][16] Similar wording has also been used more recently by other Israeli politicians.[3] Some countries have considered criminalizing the slogan's use.[17][18]"
The HAMAS Covenant 2017 states:
The movement
1. The Islamic Resistance Movement “Hamas” is a Palestinian Islamic national liberation and resistance movement. Its goal is to liberate Palestine and confront the Zionist project. Its frame of reference is Islam, which determines its principles, objectives and means.
The Land of Palestine
2. Palestine, which extends from the River Jordan in the east to the Mediterranean [sea] in the west and from Ras al-Naqurah in the north to Umm al-Rashrash in the south, is an integral territorial unit. It is the land and the home of the Palestinian people. The expulsion and banishment of the Palestinian people from their land and the establishment of the Zionist entity therein do not annul the right of the Palestinian people to their entire land and do not entrench any rights therein for the usurping Zionist entity.
This ^^^ is explicit and perfectly clear.
If you wish to have further discussion please start a separate thread. Thanks.
You seem to be conflating Hamas with the Palestinian peopl and the several thousant children who have been butchered, thats a Zionist way of doing things and theres even quite a few Jewish people willing to put you straight on that one.
Mirriam Margoyles (sp) and Alexi Sayel being two of them.
Here's some Jewish people in Jerusalem who arent impressed with some Zionist policies.
[media] [/media]
As for this thread? It's interesting to note that we in the west seem far more bothered when it's white people under threat of genocide than darker ones. I'm sure you'll get over the occasional post yer not keen on candleshine.
Was that a flounce? We haven't had a good flounce for ages!
If it was, it was a very low-key and quickly-reversed flounce. Not a proper flounce at all...
Most flounces are transient phenomena. Blink and you will miss them. The interesting bits are the posts just before the actual flounce, when the flouncer finally sees the pit they have dug.
