Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?

[Mr. Dazzle]

You should see the stuff we don't sell

[Horse]

You should see the stuff we don't sell

As an aside, it always amuses me when a company trumpets their quality by quoting ISO (9000?).

Err no. That just means that if you're making crap then it's consistent and documented crap.

[Mr. Dazzle]

ISO9001 is the most basic bare bones anyway. IATF 16949 and/or AS9100 are the ones which actually mean something.

[ZRX61]

Electric cars are far less reliable than traditional petrol vehicles, bombshell study finds
Story by Brett Lackey For Daily Mail Australia •


US publication Consumer Reports surveyed owners of cars built between 2021 and 2023, along with a small number of 2024 models, and found electric cars had 80 per cent more problems than cars propelled by internal combustion engines (ICE).

That's probably down to the build quality of Tesla's. Not denying they're popular, but it appears they're put together by people with zero mechanical aptitude.

[Mr. Dazzle]

Zero experience of building cars is probably closer to the mark. As soon as I saw "bodywork fit" as an issue I knew they probably meant Tesla Same with all these new brands and not exactly surprising.

[ZRX61]

Zero experience of building cars is probably closer to the mark. As soon as I saw "bodywork fit" as an issue I knew they probably meant Tesla Same with all these new brands and not exactly surprising.

While it isn't as bad as Saturn (7-10mm panel gaps weren't unusual), Tesla isn't that much better. 2mm is about as close to ideal most manage.

[ZRX61]

Tesla truck is now available...

1million pre-orders.. at $100 deposit each, figure 50% of the people will ask for a refund... so that's $50,000,000 that needs to be refunded..
& the latest numbers state that every EV on the road on the US costs the tax payers $50,000 in subsidies & other pay offs etc..
So I guess we're looking at $50billion from the tax payers if he sells 50% of the pre-orders.

Explain how this is a sustainable business plan?

[mangocrazy]

You're talking Musk-o-nomics, which don't seem to bear any relation to reality. Why else would you pay $44billion for something then run it into the ground?

[ZRX61]

You're talking Musk-o-nomics, which don't seem to bear any relation to reality. Why else would you pay $44billion for something then run it into the ground?

I like that he literally told the head of Disney to go fuck himself, which then got replayed all over the news for a few days

[Taipan]

Tesla truck is now available...

1million pre-orders.. at $100 deposit each, figure 50% of the people will ask for a refund... so that's $50,000,000 that needs to be refunded..
& the latest numbers state that every EV on the road on the US costs the tax payers $50,000 in subsidies & other pay offs etc..
So I guess we're looking at $50billion from the tax payers if he sells 50% of the pre-orders.

Explain how this is a sustainable business plan?

Yeah but...

[Mr. Dazzle]

Tesla truck is now available...

1million pre-orders.. at $100 deposit each, figure 50% of the people will ask for a refund... so that's $50,000,000 that needs to be refunded..
& the latest numbers state that every EV on the road on the US costs the tax payers $50,000 in subsidies & other pay offs etc..
So I guess we're looking at $50billion from the tax payers if he sells 50% of the pre-orders.

Explain how this is a sustainable business plan?

If we want to look at dubious numbers, should we consider that the fossil fuel industry received 7 trillion dollars in subsidies globally last year?

https://www.imf.org/en/Blogs/Articles/2 ... 7-trillion

Or perhaps we should all just remember it's easy to make funding numbers say lots of different things.

[Taipan]

Given how big America is and how few and far between even gas stations are outside of the cities, I'm not really surprised EVs aren't more successful there.

Has the bubble burst here? All the people i know, myself included, who were considering going EV, have changed their minds and stuck with ICE variants instead. The only person I knew with one, has now got rid of it and won't look at them for another 5 years-ish.

[Mr. Dazzle]

All the people I know have gone black and have never gone back. Even guys who work in F1 engine design, absolutely petrol heads, have gone EV (against their will in one case) and not ever gone back.

You could probably quite reasonably say I know a different segment of people though

China is the big market though, more than half the total global consumption of EVs.

[Taipan]

I'm not against EVs, far from it and think my next bike will be one, but the whole range and charging issues are the nail in the coffin for now. A while back EVs seemed to be such a buzz but then the cost of living hiked up leccy prices and it seems like that put a lot of people off too? Are UK sales actually in decline?

[Mr. Dazzle]

Are UK sales actually in decline?

Nope.

https://www.smmt.co.uk/vehicle-data/evs ... strations/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/141 ... nce%202015.

[Taipan]

[ZRX61]

If we want to look at dubious numbers, should we consider that the fossil fuel industry received 7 trillion dollars in subsidies globally last year?

https://www.imf.org/en/Blogs/Articles/2 ... 7-trillion

Or perhaps we should all just remember it's easy to make funding numbers say lots of different things.

In the US, a *subsidy* often means a tax break on R&D & infrastructure etc....

But we're talking subsidies on vehicles, not what fuels them... Obviously some EV's aren't getting $50,000 because that's the average, in the case of Ford it's $67,000

[Taipan]

Marques Brownlee reviews the Cybertruck.

[Count Steer]

I've just been reading Top Gear magazine that I picked up in Asda and some of the new EVs look good, the Seat Born and Megane look good and the VW camper thing looks funky as well.

Is that the ID.Buzz? It's quite the cutest thing on the road.

When we were looking to replace Car 2 the only thing in the VW showroom that made my eyes light up was the original van version (at least I think that's how it's gone in terms of evolution). My eyes dimmed at the price - there's a limit to the £uplift that cute provides, but a camper version could be fun depending on all the usual - range, battery life blah blah blah.

[ZRX61]

I've just been reading Top Gear magazine that I picked up in Asda and some of the new EVs look good, the Seat Born and Megane look good and the VW camper thing looks funky as well.

Is that the ID.Buzz? It's quite the cutest thing on the road.

When we were looking to replace Car 2 the only thing in the VW showroom that made my eyes light up was the original van version (at least I think that's how it's gone in terms of evolution). My eyes dimmed at the price - there's a limit to the £uplift that cute provides, but a camper version could be fun depending on all the usual - range, battery life blah blah blah.

I guess you'd still have to take a generator with you when you go camping...