NBT- I'm going racing 😳
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NBT- I'm going racing 😳
Little bit of background for the reason for this purchase- As of roughly 18 months or so ago, my old man joints/injuries have caught up with me and have meant that I finally conceded that my distance running days are likely behind me, at least until I get at least one new hip ( and ideally two knees too ) - I’ve replaced this in the main with cycling up and down the hills around here on a MTB, and although it’s good for that bit of cardio and mental well-being, the bit it hasn’t been able to replace is the competition element that the 10k and half-marathons I used to enter gave me.
I used to get a real buzz out of knowing that I had a (running) race coming up at the week-end, and although I knew I was never going to remotely trouble any of the front-runners , I logged every single run I did, and my aim was always to beat my previous PB for any given course/distance.
Of course, I didn’t manage that every single time, but most of the time I did, until my joints, or more specifically my right hip told me it was time to stop. And although I have what I consider to be a fabulous life, if I’m honest, I do really miss having races to look forward to.
Anyway, enough of the woffle- the tipping point for me was when my my young (well I guess he’s not really as he’s just hit 40 but he is compared to me , and the vast majority of us on here ) , fast mate Tim sent me a pic of his latest purchase a few weeks back – he did his CTC ( the classroom and on-track assessment you have to do these days to get a licence) a couple of months ago and now has an ACU road race licence, so he’s off MiniTwin Racing next season, with the aim of competing in the F900R cup in 2025/6 as soon as he’s got his National licence.
Along with the pic he sent me, he asked me if I’d help him out spannering next season, or even better, get a suitable bike and join him, and after initially discounting the idea for lots of reasons ( admittedly the main one being thoughts of being shit and slow), I thought fuck it, YOLO etc, I’ll join him
The only decision then was what class to race in, which of course defined which bike to buy.
My initial thoughts were to buy a beautiful and very well priced Gen2 RSV Millie race bike that was available, and have a crack in BOTT on it, but lovely as the bike and idea was, I really don’t want to be spending £500+ on tyres every meeting, so was pretty decided on a MiniTwin when I stumbled on the FPR Suzuki Bandit challenge, and after reading the regs on it decided that was the one to go for.
Major factors for the decision for me were the control tyre ruling (currently Sportsmart TTs), and the very limited amount of mods you are allowed to make, with the aims of keeping costs down and close racing- I’m also reasonably sure that it shouldn’t be half-full of annoyingly fast teenagers, so I hopefully stand less chance of completely embarrassing myself , not that this was a factor (much) you understand
Seriously though, I’m under no illusions, although I did OK at club level in the 80s, National level showed me that I was never really that fast at all , and I have definitely got slower with age and don’t expect to be collecting pots this time around, but I also don’t want to be getting lapped either so I'm going to be trying- they have a “Seniors” sort of class within the class, so maybe I can score a few points in that.
Anyway, we will see, but I’m approaching it with the main object to have fun, and hopefully to also get a bit quicker as the season progresses
Ignoring the odd Spanish trackday “fun race” here and there over the last 20 or so years, the last time I lined up on a grid on a bike was 34 years ago, so it’s back to square one for me in race licence terms, and I’ve got to go through the CTC process etc, but as of a week ago I've joined a club, got my licence application in, and the CTC booked in for first week of March next year, all being well just in time for the first meeting of the year at the end of March.
So this is what I’ve bought- she’s a beaut eh?
It was last raced in 2021, and has apparently sat at the back of the previous owner’s garage since then.
It’s a runner, albeit very fluffy and farty from cold, and doesn’t want to rev but once it warms up, it revs through cleanly and there's no nasty noises or blue smoke, so I am currently reasonably confident that’ll be sorted with a carb clean, new plugs etc.
The motor in it apparently came from a low mileage (8k he says) bike, after the original poked a rode through the cases halfway through the 2021 season, so I’m hoping I won’t need to rebuild it yet, just give it a thorough service, and once I’ve done that I’ll run it down to Gav and Dan at MSG and strap it to their dyno to see what I’ve got and go from there as needed.
I’ve also got the original motor ( crankcases are obviously toast but top-end, gennie, starter motor, side cases etc should still be good) , along with WoWs, and a whole load of other spares- rearsets, levers, coils, engine cases etc etc.
There is a lot to address to get it to a condition that I’ll be happy with, but it was pennies relatively speaking, so it should hopefully still end up being a reasonably cheap way to go racing
Current first-pass list of jobs is this -
I’m sure there will be more , and when I get it on the bench and start pulling it to bits next week I’ll update this thread, but in the meantime, here’s another few pics so you can appreciate its current extreme beauty ( believe me, it looks better in the pics than IRL !
I used to get a real buzz out of knowing that I had a (running) race coming up at the week-end, and although I knew I was never going to remotely trouble any of the front-runners , I logged every single run I did, and my aim was always to beat my previous PB for any given course/distance.
Of course, I didn’t manage that every single time, but most of the time I did, until my joints, or more specifically my right hip told me it was time to stop. And although I have what I consider to be a fabulous life, if I’m honest, I do really miss having races to look forward to.
Anyway, enough of the woffle- the tipping point for me was when my my young (well I guess he’s not really as he’s just hit 40 but he is compared to me , and the vast majority of us on here ) , fast mate Tim sent me a pic of his latest purchase a few weeks back – he did his CTC ( the classroom and on-track assessment you have to do these days to get a licence) a couple of months ago and now has an ACU road race licence, so he’s off MiniTwin Racing next season, with the aim of competing in the F900R cup in 2025/6 as soon as he’s got his National licence.
Along with the pic he sent me, he asked me if I’d help him out spannering next season, or even better, get a suitable bike and join him, and after initially discounting the idea for lots of reasons ( admittedly the main one being thoughts of being shit and slow), I thought fuck it, YOLO etc, I’ll join him
The only decision then was what class to race in, which of course defined which bike to buy.
My initial thoughts were to buy a beautiful and very well priced Gen2 RSV Millie race bike that was available, and have a crack in BOTT on it, but lovely as the bike and idea was, I really don’t want to be spending £500+ on tyres every meeting, so was pretty decided on a MiniTwin when I stumbled on the FPR Suzuki Bandit challenge, and after reading the regs on it decided that was the one to go for.
Major factors for the decision for me were the control tyre ruling (currently Sportsmart TTs), and the very limited amount of mods you are allowed to make, with the aims of keeping costs down and close racing- I’m also reasonably sure that it shouldn’t be half-full of annoyingly fast teenagers, so I hopefully stand less chance of completely embarrassing myself , not that this was a factor (much) you understand
Seriously though, I’m under no illusions, although I did OK at club level in the 80s, National level showed me that I was never really that fast at all , and I have definitely got slower with age and don’t expect to be collecting pots this time around, but I also don’t want to be getting lapped either so I'm going to be trying- they have a “Seniors” sort of class within the class, so maybe I can score a few points in that.
Anyway, we will see, but I’m approaching it with the main object to have fun, and hopefully to also get a bit quicker as the season progresses
Ignoring the odd Spanish trackday “fun race” here and there over the last 20 or so years, the last time I lined up on a grid on a bike was 34 years ago, so it’s back to square one for me in race licence terms, and I’ve got to go through the CTC process etc, but as of a week ago I've joined a club, got my licence application in, and the CTC booked in for first week of March next year, all being well just in time for the first meeting of the year at the end of March.
So this is what I’ve bought- she’s a beaut eh?
It was last raced in 2021, and has apparently sat at the back of the previous owner’s garage since then.
It’s a runner, albeit very fluffy and farty from cold, and doesn’t want to rev but once it warms up, it revs through cleanly and there's no nasty noises or blue smoke, so I am currently reasonably confident that’ll be sorted with a carb clean, new plugs etc.
The motor in it apparently came from a low mileage (8k he says) bike, after the original poked a rode through the cases halfway through the 2021 season, so I’m hoping I won’t need to rebuild it yet, just give it a thorough service, and once I’ve done that I’ll run it down to Gav and Dan at MSG and strap it to their dyno to see what I’ve got and go from there as needed.
I’ve also got the original motor ( crankcases are obviously toast but top-end, gennie, starter motor, side cases etc should still be good) , along with WoWs, and a whole load of other spares- rearsets, levers, coils, engine cases etc etc.
There is a lot to address to get it to a condition that I’ll be happy with, but it was pennies relatively speaking, so it should hopefully still end up being a reasonably cheap way to go racing
Current first-pass list of jobs is this -
I’m sure there will be more , and when I get it on the bench and start pulling it to bits next week I’ll update this thread, but in the meantime, here’s another few pics so you can appreciate its current extreme beauty ( believe me, it looks better in the pics than IRL !
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The Blandits and Desmo Due are deffo the cheapest grown up club racing you can do. The Desmo Due has a slightly more 'mature' grid, if you catch my drift.
I reckon if I was to start again I'd seriously look at Blandits.
I was in the scrutineering queue at Donington and the two fella's behind me had Blandits, one was telling the other how he's bought a 'wet' bike for £600. Can't go much wrong with that.
I reckon if I was to start again I'd seriously look at Blandits.
I was in the scrutineering queue at Donington and the two fella's behind me had Blandits, one was telling the other how he's bought a 'wet' bike for £600. Can't go much wrong with that.
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Ya silly oul fecker.
Good luck Tricky and stay safe.
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It looks errrrm functional.
That seat pad is a shit show. The calipers, we'll, worse than that. But for £400 it was ok. Nice buying skills
That seat pad is a shit show. The calipers, we'll, worse than that. But for £400 it was ok. Nice buying skills
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Brill............ bike is a real looker as well
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Ace, will have to get along to a round to watch. I reckon that’ll be awesome fun. Seen a fair few on track when I had my SV and they were well matched to that. You’ll love it so long as you do all those jobs
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Oil cooled Suzuki engines are lovely, really nice and strong.
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I have to question why you didn't start with a somewhat different bike ? Something a little nicer.. What was the logic on this one and why did you go for it ? As with all bikes, i'm sure it can be made to be a cracking bike... but seems like you've made it a bit harder for yourself for winter.
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Nah, they're all the same. The rules allow you to do fuck all with them, there's no reason why a shitter couldn't winweeksy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 6:36 am I have to question why you didn't start with a somewhat different bike ? Something a little nicer.. What was the logic on this one and why did you go for it ? As with all bikes, i'm sure it can be made to be a cracking bike... but seems like you've made it a bit harder for yourself for winter.
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The red calipers are instantly why this one can'tKungFooBob wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 7:43 amNah, they're all the same. The rules allow you to do fuck all with them, there's no reason why a shitter couldn't winweeksy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 6:36 am I have to question why you didn't start with a somewhat different bike ? Something a little nicer.. What was the logic on this one and why did you go for it ? As with all bikes, i'm sure it can be made to be a cracking bike... but seems like you've made it a bit harder for yourself for winter.
I get the next bit... but 'rough and not-ready' comes to mind with this example. The good thing is, he's a clever lad and knows how to twirl a spanner so i'm sure it'll be golden by the time the practice season begins.
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I'm not up to speed with these things. What's wrong with the red calipers?
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Nothing... if they're on a £140,000 POrsche. On a Bandit.... Mmmmmm.Count Steer wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 7:57 am I'm not up to speed with these things. What's wrong with the red calipers?
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Ah. I thought it was to do with them being non-standard.weeksy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 8:02 amNothing... if they're on a £140,000 POrsche. On a Bandit.... Mmmmmm.Count Steer wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 7:57 am I'm not up to speed with these things. What's wrong with the red calipers?
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I think it's a great idea and a cracking class.
Something to be said for ringing the neck of a regular type of bike and not some bling Superbike from last years BSB grid. Some of my best TD's were on slower less capable bikes - lots of smiles and laughs whilst other's were making unlimited suspension and tyre pressure changes to gain .002 of a second per lap, whilst I'd stick a 955 Daytona up the inside of them and bugger off
Something to be said for ringing the neck of a regular type of bike and not some bling Superbike from last years BSB grid. Some of my best TD's were on slower less capable bikes - lots of smiles and laughs whilst other's were making unlimited suspension and tyre pressure changes to gain .002 of a second per lap, whilst I'd stick a 955 Daytona up the inside of them and bugger off
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I also think it's a great racing class, I've been on track days with Bandit 600 race bikes, they have a top speed of about 130mph, they would accelerate out of corners better than my FZR400 but my FZR would reel them in on the straights as it was a little bit faster, they appeared to handle okay.
The engine is strong and reliable so long as it gets regular oil changes and you don't over rev it, you'd want to go through the chassis and replace all the bearings and bushes as they're at least 20 years old.
The engine is strong and reliable so long as it gets regular oil changes and you don't over rev it, you'd want to go through the chassis and replace all the bearings and bushes as they're at least 20 years old.
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I've raced with them when DD shared a grid with them at Thruxton, they're loads faster down the straights compared to a 60ishbhp DD bike, but you'd make it all back on the brakes and be up the side on every corner. Good fun.
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