Do auxiliary lights help you be seen?

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Mr. Dazzle wrote: Fri Nov 24, 2023 7:10 pm I never knew being colour blind made you see cop cars as hexagons.
Yebbut, you're Mr Dazzle so when you're around everyone is blinded, hexagons or no.
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Mr. Dazzle wrote: Fri Nov 24, 2023 7:10 pm I never knew being colour blind made you see cop cars as hexagons.

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I used to call auxilliary lights the "Triangle of Wankerdom"

Usually some fat cunt on a GS expecting everyone to get the hell out of his way, now as a fat cunt on a GS, I'm thinkong of a pair like the ones I had on my old Airhead ratfighter thing, purely to help me see in the dark. Ive had people pull out on a bright pink double decker with HID lights on it, so they'll pul out on a bike no matter how many lights are on it.

Anither thing that boils my piss is trucks lit up like a coke advert. My mate has a huge Scania with no fewer than 21 lights on the front, that's before the huge LED V8 in the cab. It's the same on the back of the unit, although I think they're wired so when there's a trailer connected they go off.
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The Spin Doctor wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 1:35 pm Have some Science Of Being Seen...

https://scienceofbeingseen.org/17-strat ... tive-drls/
While I agree that acting smarter is the higher priority, you suggested yellow lights could aid conspicuity.

I expect you’re correct — with the usual caveats that nothing is guaranteed, no single measure is foolproof, proactive riding matters more, etc.
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Bigjawa wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2023 2:31 pm I used to call auxilliary lights the "Triangle of Wankerdom"

Usually some fat cunt on a GS expecting everyone to get the hell out of his way, now as a fat cunt on a GS, I'm thinkong of a pair like the ones I had on my old Airhead ratfighter thing, purely to help me see in the dark. Ive had people pull out on a bright pink double decker with HID lights on it, so they'll pul out on a bike no matter how many lights are on it.

Anither thing that boils my piss is trucks lit up like a coke advert. My mate has a huge Scania with no fewer than 21 lights on the front, that's before the huge LED V8 in the cab. It's the same on the back of the unit, although I think they're wired so when there's a trailer connected they go off.
Ha, there's a bit of a Scania thing going on and yeah I've also noticed that the ones with the V8"s do seem especially chuffed about it to the point wbere they need to advertise the fact to everyone within line of sight.
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When I turn my car on, the headlights project an animated swooshy thing with the brand badge that slides into view (assuming you're parked infront of a vertical surface :lol: ) which then turns into projected 'rain'. LED Scania badges are old hat.
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Mr. Dazzle wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:48 pm When I turn my car on, the headlights project an animated swooshy thing with the brand badge that slides into view (assuming you're parked infront of a vertical surface :lol: ) which then turns into projected 'rain'. LED Scania badges are old hat.
Jeez, is it possible to programe it so it doesn't do tbat?
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It's what marketing people call "Surprise and delight" :thumbup:
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It take a LOT of imagination to be able to put yourself into the position of each car driver in the vehicles around you, and then figure out what they can and can't see, and then a huge spark of understanding and self-realisation to realise, and then accept, that you yourself might be the one at fault in any given scenario.

It's no wonder that bikers find that sort of self-introspection hard to do: to it have enough confidence to ride something that is going to fall over at the first opportunity takes a certain amount of egotism; simply to have the confidence to ride the thing: that will work against any ability to see oneself as being in the wrong. Factor in as well that a distinct lack of imagination is required to be able to ignore (or at least dismiss) the risks involved, especially when riding at higher speeds, or in higher levels of traffic without constantly freaking out.
That's quite sobering, put like that.
It's only all the rest, though, not us? ;)
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Mr. Dazzle wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2023 9:34 pm It's what marketing people call "Surprise and delight" :thumbup:
Surprise yes, at least the first time, but marketing people must be easily delighted.
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Hot_Air wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2023 5:39 pm
The Spin Doctor wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 1:35 pm Have some Science Of Being Seen...

https://scienceofbeingseen.org/17-strat ... tive-drls/
While I agree that acting smarter is the higher priority, you suggested yellow lights could aid conspicuity.

I expect you’re correct — with the usual caveats that nothing is guaranteed, no single measure is foolproof, proactive riding matters more, etc.
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Mr. Dazzle wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2023 9:34 pm It's what marketing people call "Surprise and delight" :thumbup:
What do they call it when it goes wrong?
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Scootabout wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2023 10:04 pm
It take a LOT of imagination to be able to put yourself into the position of each car driver in the vehicles around you, and then figure out what they can and can't see, and then a huge spark of understanding and self-realisation to realise, and then accept, that you yourself might be the one at fault in any given scenario.

It's no wonder that bikers find that sort of self-introspection hard to do: to it have enough confidence to ride something that is going to fall over at the first opportunity takes a certain amount of egotism; simply to have the confidence to ride the thing: that will work against any ability to see oneself as being in the wrong. Factor in as well that a distinct lack of imagination is required to be able to ignore (or at least dismiss) the risks involved, especially when riding at higher speeds, or in higher levels of traffic without constantly freaking out.
That's quite sobering, put like that.
It's only all the rest, though, not us? ;)
Where did you clip that from?

I don't think it's that difficult... what prevents us is lack of imagination, and a peculiar groupthink mentality which casts us as victims.

I got some real abuse from some MAG laddos for suggesting that just possibly if we remembered that a car waiting to pull out at a junction do only two things - say put or pull out - and that if we prepared for the second rather than the first we'd have fewer SMIDSYs.
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The Spin Doctor wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2023 10:40 pm
Mr. Dazzle wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2023 9:34 pm It's what marketing people call "Surprise and delight" :thumbup:
What do they call it when it goes wrong?
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The Spin Doctor wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2023 10:43 pm
Scootabout wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2023 10:04 pm
It take a LOT of imagination to be able to put yourself into the position of each car driver in the vehicles around you, and then figure out what they can and can't see, and then a huge spark of understanding and self-realisation to realise, and then accept, that you yourself might be the one at fault in any given scenario.

It's no wonder that bikers find that sort of self-introspection hard to do: to it have enough confidence to ride something that is going to fall over at the first opportunity takes a certain amount of egotism; simply to have the confidence to ride the thing: that will work against any ability to see oneself as being in the wrong. Factor in as well that a distinct lack of imagination is required to be able to ignore (or at least dismiss) the risks involved, especially when riding at higher speeds, or in higher levels of traffic without constantly freaking out.
That's quite sobering, put like that.
It's only all the rest, though, not us? ;)
Where did you clip that from?

I don't think it's that difficult... what prevents us is lack of imagination, and a peculiar groupthink mentality which casts us as victims.

I got some real abuse from some MAG laddos for suggesting that just possibly if we remembered that a car waiting to pull out at a junction do only two things - say put or pull out - and that if we prepared for the second rather than the first we'd have fewer SMIDSYs.
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The Spin Doctor wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2023 10:40 pm
Mr. Dazzle wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2023 9:34 pm It's what marketing people call "Surprise and delight" :thumbup:
What do they call it when it goes wrong?
A manufacturing fault.

(Or, more likely, "user error")
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The Spin Doctor wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2023 10:40 pm
Mr. Dazzle wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2023 9:34 pm It's what marketing people call "Surprise and delight" :thumbup:
What do they call it when it goes wrong?
Darkness. Or 'recall' or 'Error code 143c2by8z'. :thumbup:
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Mr. Dazzle wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:48 pm When I turn my car on, the headlights project an animated swooshy thing with the brand badge that slides into view (assuming you're parked infront of a vertical surface :lol: ) which then turns into projected 'rain'. LED Scania badges are old hat.
What sort of car is that, so I can never buy one.
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Several companies offer it now, I've been trying to find out who actually makes the system (it'll be Hella, Philips or someone like that).

On a more useful note, they're bloody amazing at doing their actual job. Beam pattern is absolutely perfect. The animation is just frippery added on to show the level of detail the system can achieve.
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Mr. Dazzle wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 4:10 pm Several companies offer it now, I've been trying to find out who actually makes the system (it'll be Hella, Philips or someone like that).

On a more useful note, they're bloody amazing at doing their actual job. Beam pattern is absolutely perfect. The animation is just frippery added on to show the level of detail the system can achieve.
You mentioned the other day that you drove a car far above your station... and now we know the lights can project images.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/new-may ... ct-images/

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