In todays news...

[Count Steer]

It is all the economics of madness. Debt near (or above GDP) might just be acceptable if we were investing in infrastructure that will pay for itself over the next 100 years. We are not, we are spending most on current account stuff that should be funded from current taxation.

Basically we are spending more than we earn. And that is not sustainable. Our children and grandchildren will have to pay for it.

Ah, the sins of the fathers...Deuteronomy 5:9-10

Guess who made this mess?

Enlighten us.

You're quite bright, I expect you'll work it out.

[irie]

Ah, the sins of the fathers...Deuteronomy 5:9-10

Guess who made this mess?

Enlighten us.

You're quite bright, I expect you'll work it out.

Ha ha, typical cop-out.

[mangocrazy]

Enlighten us.

You're quite bright, I expect you'll work it out.

Ha ha, typical cop-out.

Says the chap who expected me to read umpty squillion pages of the Hamas covenant to back up a point he hadn't even articulated.

[irie]

You're quite bright, I expect you'll work it out.

Ha ha, typical cop-out.

Says the chap who expected me to read umpty squillion pages of the Hamas covenant to back up a point he hadn't even articulated.

The Hamas Covenant is only about 750 words, a very small fraction of a squillion.

[mangocrazy]

Ha ha, typical cop-out.

Says the chap who expected me to read umpty squillion pages of the Hamas covenant to back up a point he hadn't even articulated.

The Hamas Covenant is only about 750 words, a very small fraction of a squillion.

Actually closer to 3000, according to the word count function in MS Word....

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[irie]

Says the chap who expected me to read umpty squillion pages of the Hamas covenant to back up a point he hadn't even articulated.

The Hamas Covenant is only about 750 words, a very small fraction of a squillion.

Actually closer to 3000, according to the word count function in MS Word....

HC_word count.JPG

If you put it into MW Word then you can manage the first page.

[mangocrazy]

But I'll be buggered if I'm willingly reading all six pages of it...

[irie]

But I'll be buggered if I'm willingly reading all six pages of it...

Should take about 10 minutes to read all of it - a small price to pay to understand one of the key roots of the Israel/Hamas/Hezbollah/et al. war.

[mangocrazy]

I think I already understand that the protagonists have been knocking lumps off each other for millenia and are unlikely to stop any time soon.

[Yorick]

Here's a thought. Keep this thread to what the title says.
Today's news.

Move the shite to the Votes thread.

Nah. Won't work. Muppets just love to argue the toss at any price.

[irie]

Here's a thought. Keep this thread to what the title says.
Today's news.

Move the shite to the Votes thread.

Nah. Won't work. Muppets just love to argue the toss at any price.

Ignorance is bliss.

[JackyJoll]

Here's a thought. Keep this thread to what the title says.
Today's news.

Move the shite to the Votes thread.

Nah. Won't work. Muppets just love to argue the toss at any price.

What’s that got to do with what’s in today’s news?

Israeli guy on the news (today’s news!) says they’ve killed thousands of Hamas fighters. That’s got to be good eh!

[KungFooBob]

So who is looking at their payslip and trying to work out what 2% of the NI is?

[Greenman]

So who is looking at their payslip and trying to work out what 2% of the NI is?

About £2.40 for me, i'm gonna be loaded, all hail king hunt and rishi what a legend, my money worries are over!

[KungFooBob]

I'll be £7.14 a month better off, result!

[JackyJoll]

NI reductions discriminate against the unemployable!

[KungFooBob]

NI reductions discriminate against the unemployable!

They're getting an extra 6.7% tho'

[Mr. Dazzle]

If my maths are right (far from certain) the most you can benefit by due to this NI change is £754pa.

Logic being, at the moment it's charged at 12% on everything between £12751 and £50271, then 2% after that. So if your taxable income is above £50271 you'd pay a total of £4524pa in NI (12% of £50271 - £12751) at the higher rate, in future you'll pay £3770. A saving of £754pa, or about sixty quid a month. All your earnings above the ~50k are unchanged.

I mean, better than a kick in the bollox, I'll take that £60 . Not sure it's gonna change my life drastically. Assuming my numbers are correct, as above

[JackyJoll]

NI reductions discriminate against the unemployable!

They're getting an extra 6.7% tho'

8.5% for some of us.

Doesn’t mean I don’t want what they get as well!

[Count Steer]

If my maths are right (far from certain) the most you can benefit by due to this NI change is £754pa.

Logic being, at the moment it's charged at 12% on everything between £12751 and £50271, then 2% after that. So if your taxable income is above £50271 you'd pay a total of £4524pa in NI (12% of £50271 - £12751) at the higher rate, in future you'll pay £3770. A saving of £754pa, or about sixty quid a month. All your earnings above the ~50k are unchanged.

I mean, better than a kick in the bollox, I'll take that £60 . Not sure it's gonna change my life drastically. Assuming my numbers are correct, as above

Paid for from increased tax take. (Freezing income tax levels and removing freeze on fuel duty and putting it on an inflation escalator). The govt. giveth, the govt. taketh away.