In todays news...

[DefTrap]

This one I was reading earlier..?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-67414203

Yep, mental.

[Count Steer]

It's all quite interesting. If we are to believe all we read Corbyn was the hero of the left and a rampant anti-semite. At the same time that left ie Momentum, lead by Jon Lansman made Corbyn their leader. (To be totally accurate they made him leader, then formed Momentum 4 weeks later). It kind of slipped people's notice that the founder of Momentum was, in fact, Jewish. How did such a thing happen? Did Lansman not realise? How could he be cheerleader for such a person?

Either way, Corbyn is history (some won't let it lie though)....but Momentum isn't, although their membership has dropped.

I think many people have HUGE problems separating anti-Israel sympathy with anti-semitism. I have no idea whether Corbyn was anti-semitic, he was certainly sympathetic to the Palestinian cause, and thus by definition not a fan of Israel. Perhaps Lansman was a Jewish bloke that shared the same views.

I think some people have problems separating Israel and the government of Israel. It's perfectly possible to support one and not the (current) other.

Lansman was interviewed by The Jewish Chronicle in January 2016. He was asked about attitudes to Israel in the Labour Party and the attitudes of Jews towards it: "Yes, of course the vast majority of British Jews are supportive of Israel as a Jewish state – and actually so is Jeremy – but they are far from supportive of all aspects of what is currently happening there", he said. "I think Jews in Britain want peace too. I think Jeremy's message of fairness for the Palestinians is not something that will be rejected by the Jewish community."

It's not the story that people want to hear though.

[Yorick]

Knobheads ...

The complaint was reportedly made by a new resident.

https://news.sky.com/story/single-noise ... n-13008896

[Count Steer]

He's right.

Landed gentry only is the correct way forward.

You think the inbreds would pass the IQ test.

[Bustaspoke]

Just watching the evening news - a young woman is complaining that a "miracle dieting drug" that she bought via an Instagram account (interview cuts to video footage from said Instagram account where some absolute freaky monster with an incredible amount of plastic surgery - including what seems to be buttock implants - badly 'demonstrates' how you're supposed to administer some really hooky looking unbranded vials of liquid) that subsequently made her really ill. It's dressed up like a really really low rent version of Watchdog. I mean what next? Don't drill your eyeballs?

These are the same people that have spent three years being adamant that covid vaccine testing was bodged because "my opinion (that I might have got from Facebook ) is valid", they're sick "of science" and is definitely part of some global conspiracy.

So yes, an IQ test to weed out the morons. I'm not bothered if that means less chance of "my favoured party" being elected. But fwiw, Brexit wouldn't have happened, so there.

Darwinism isn't it.I saw that news item earlier,not the best advert for products of the British education system.
I also think that voters should have to pass some kind of exam before being allowed to vote.

[irie]

Hmm, looks like the tory party is about ti implode -

Tory reaction getting angrier

There's more reaction from Conservative MPs coming in and it’s getting angrier and angrier.

Leaving a meeting of right-wingers convened to discuss the ruling, Lee Anderson, the MP for Ashfield, said that the government should "put planes in the air" to Rwanda anyway – ignoring the Supreme Court.

Anderson is not just a provocative backbencher – he is also a deputy chairman of the Conservative Party. Expect Rishi Sunak to come under pressure in the coming hours to disown those comments.

Early election anyone?

Don't think so.

Rather than repealing the 1988 Act wholesale, more likely an Act to explicitly exempt Rwanda from the 1988 Act. Pure guess of course.

[Bustaspoke]

Lol, IQ test for voting! Nothing should be ever further away from happening. Just imagine how that would work out for the working classes and the disadvantaged! You elitist bastards!!

But half of those disadvantaged working class f#ckwits voted for the Torys!

[Bustaspoke]

Meanwhile in other news,a plane was forced to return to JFK International airport after a horse got out of its crate & was loose in the hold
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67406779

[Yorick]

Meanwhile in other news,a plane was forced to return to JFK International airport after a horse got out of its crate & was loose in the hold
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67406779

Wow. 20 tons of fuel. About 25,000 litres. Quite a pretty penny.

[Noggin]

It's frankly incredible, in fact it's astounding, that working people do not want to vote for a party that is supposed to be for working people.
Allowing extremists to run the Labour Party might have finished it forever.

I suspect that having a 'Sir' at the head of the working class party takes that bit away for many actual working class people.

But also, as someone sort of said above, how do you persuade working class people that actually voted for the Tories that the upper class bloke in the other party is better for them?

[Mr. Dazzle]

The Horse, not pictured here, escaped as the plane cruised at 30,000ft (file photo)

They worried the horse is gonna sue?

[Bustaspoke]

This latest incident was not the first time an animal escaped its cargo stall while onboard an airplane.

In August, a bear freed itself from its crate on an Iraqi Airways flight headed from Dubai to Baghdad, the Associated Press reported.

^^^ ^^^
TBH this part of the article could do with pictures

[irie]

... So as the extremists are on the run and well away from any positions of power how can they be a threat? The Labour Party is a very different animal to what it was in the Corbyn years.

That's what Labour would have us believe. The nut jobs are sitting quietly in the NEC and other murky corners waiting for Labour to get elected.

People such as Rebecca Long-Bailey, contributing author of the 2019 Labour manifesto, have gone very quiet. For now.

[Greenman]

... So as the extremists are on the run and well away from any positions of power how can they be a threat? The Labour Party is a very different animal to what it was in the Corbyn years.

That's what Labour would have us believe. The nut jobs are sitting quietly in the NEC and other murky corners waiting for Labour to get elected.

People such as Rebecca Long-Bailey, contributing author of the 2019 Labour manifesto, have gone very quiet. For now.

There are a lot of people who are angry at inequality in the UK, I think it's justified, there is something very rotten at the core, but they don't have much beyond the anger, i.e. they have no plan to do anything better, except hollow theoretical soundbites.

My old man wasn't militant but he was always moaning about work and how the working man was being screwed over, and it's hard to disagree with a lot of these types of complaints, the likes of Sunak, Cameron, etc, really don't give a monkeys about us, and people like Corbyn are twisted ideologists who lost sight of the working man's struggles a long time ago.

Choosing sides seems like a futile exercise.

I disagree.

I think someone like Corbyn should be given a chance to see if what they have is better than what we currently are offered. He was just victimised by the other parties as they knew he had a chance to shake up all their corruption and bring in something different that would of disrupted the balance between the super rich and the poor, they can't be having that!

[JackyJoll]

^^^ ^^^

Why the big pause?

[JackyJoll]

My old man wasn't militant but he was always moaning about work and how the working man was being screwed over, and it's hard to disagree with a lot of these types of complaints

Back in Thatcher’s time, God knows what year, the budget report was on the radio in the shed where I worked. Frankly, it was just the usual mildly annoying budget in those times.

Davey the driver exclaimed “See- they’re hitting the fucking working man again! They always fucking do that!”

I asked him what he meant, because I didn’t get it.

“Drink and fags- up again! Fucking Tory bastards!”

[Cousin Jack]

But do you want people like Tommy Robinson and Jeremy Corbyn running your country...

Just look across the pond at Biden/Trump to get an idea about what will happen.

[Greenman]

And as I said before, Corbyn is the Tommy Robinson of the left.
They both verge far enough towards the centre ground to get mainstream attention, they dress up their opinions with enough topical pain points that it seems to have some sense in it, they will appeal to the disenfranchised, and you can see why people look at both of them and think "You know, I don't agree with everything but he's got a point there...".

IMO I'm seeing more polarised views than I have since the 80's, the more people start to suffer the more they look for extreme options and the more that these people seem to make sense.

But do you want people like Tommy Robinson and Jeremy Corbyn running your country...

I think the real question is, will they be any worse than what we have now. Maybe not Robinson though as he is just a racist fool.

Maybe they will have more interest in making and forcing in policies that are fair for all, the rich people wont like it but they have ways and means of surviving if they get hit by negative change, the poor have no backup and are forced to use food backs etc when a new tory rule gets forced in that is positively bias towards the rich.

People like Dougie Smith etc though will still have the overall say no matter who is in power apparetly!

[mangocrazy]

... So as the extremists are on the run and well away from any positions of power how can they be a threat? The Labour Party is a very different animal to what it was in the Corbyn years.

That's what Labour would have us believe. The nut jobs are sitting quietly in the NEC and other murky corners waiting for Labour to get elected.

People such as Rebecca Long-Bailey, contributing author of the 2019 Labour manifesto, have gone very quiet. For now.

Paranoid much? RLB and her ilk are quiet because they've effectively been disenfranchised. Friends of mine who were ardent Corbynistas have been shown the door at their local Labour party. This isn't a skin deep change.

[irie]

... So as the extremists are on the run and well away from any positions of power how can they be a threat? The Labour Party is a very different animal to what it was in the Corbyn years.

That's what Labour would have us believe. The nut jobs are sitting quietly in the NEC and other murky corners waiting for Labour to get elected.

People such as Rebecca Long-Bailey, contributing author of the 2019 Labour manifesto, have gone very quiet. For now.

Paranoid much? RLB and her ilk are quiet because they've effectively been disenfranchised. Friends of mine who were ardent Corbynistas have been shown the door at their local Labour party. This isn't a skin deep change.

For every dickhead shown the door another one enters. In all parties. Only the gullible believe otherwise.