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[Bigjawa]

IMO Cameron messed up because he didn't have a plan, he thought that Brexit wouldn't happen and he didn't have a plan for in case it went that way in the vote. His only option was to pack up and run.

If you run a business and you throw it open to potential major trauma via a vote, but don't have a plan for what happens afterwards, then you've failed.
Farage was the same really, he knew which way it would go but still didn't have a plan.

Brexit is a bit like an Irish unity referendum, both sides go on about how great/crap it would be, but if it actually happens, neither will have a fucking clue what to do afterwards.

You mainlanders think you have problems?

NI politics summed up in one video.

[Bigjawa]

Before I waste a vote on Farage I need to see how he performs on 'I'm a Celebrity...'.

I usually watch that, but not if he's in it.

Tis ok, Tony Bellew is in it, he's liable to chin Farage at some point.

[Count Steer]

IMO Cameron messed up because he didn't have a plan, he thought that Brexit wouldn't happen and he didn't have a plan for in case it went that way in the vote. His only option was to pack up and run.

If you run a business and you throw it open to potential major trauma via a vote, but don't have a plan for what happens afterwards, then you've failed.
Farage was the same really, he knew which way it would go but still didn't have a plan.

Brexit is a bit like an Irish unity referendum, both sides go on about how great/crap it would be, but if it actually happens, neither will have a fucking clue what to do afterwards.

You mainlanders think you have problems?

Links nicely to what I was saying up there about Liberals. Gladstone proposed a bill in 1886 giving home rule to Ireland, it was defeated in the Commons and lead to the Liberals being out of office for 20 years. When governments start drawing lines on other people's maps and handing out land/authority in them, we live with the impossible situations it creates, potentially for ever/until armageddon.

[Yambo]

IMO Cameron messed up because he didn't have a plan, he thought that Brexit wouldn't happen and he didn't have a plan for in case it went that way in the vote. His only option was to pack up and run.

Cameron messed up because he was arrogant, stupid and politically naive.

OK, he actually had the referendum which we'd been promised in a number of manifestos but a referendum of that importance and not specifying a qualifying majority on it? To then say "We will do what you decide.", rather than making it an advisory decision . . . unbelievable. Then of course he simply ran away. Add coward to the list above.

Farage was the same really, he knew which way it would go but still didn't have a plan.

Of course Farage didn't have a plan, he didn't need one. Anyone who thinks Farage needed a plan (or thinks a suggestion on the side of a bus made by a campaigner is a promise) is as stupid as Cameron.

Farage wasn't even an MP (he was an MEP) so was never going to be in a position where he'd need a plan or be able to implement a plan. Cameron asked a simple question, Remain or Leave and the people voted on that simple closed question. Only a handful of people needed a plan - those that would have to implement the plan if the vote was to Leave.

Farage was just a mouthpiece

[Bigjawa]

Farage wasn't even an MP (he was an MEP) so was never going to be in a position where he'd need a plan or be able to implement a plan. Cameron asked a simple question, Remain or Leave and the people voted on that simple closed question. Only a handful of people needed a plan - those that would have to implement the plan if the vote was to Leave.

Farage was just a mouthpiece

I think Farage thought, or was conned into believing that if Brexit happened, then UKIP would be a viable political party instead of the electoral turd that it turned into, I mean why else would you dedicate yourself into losing your place in the one single place you managed to get elected to.

Surely he isn't that thick?

[Felix]

Before I waste a vote on Farage I need to see how he performs on 'I'm a Celebrity...'.

He is the only name i recognise.

[Noggin]

Tis ok, Tony Bellew is in it, he's liable to chin Farage at some point.

That's 'almost' worth watching to see, but I don't think I can bring myself to watch it, so I'll wait for the chinning to be on a video clip somewhere!! LOL

[Taipan]

[Dodgy69]

I wonder what differances our main parties would have on dealing with these issues...

The boat people crisis
Hospital waiting list crisis
Doctor shortage crisis
NHS dental crisis
Housing crisis
Road network crisis
Rail network crisis
Bus sevice crisis
Teacher shortage crisis
Prison space crisis
Cost of existing crisis
Knife crime crisis
Criminal courts backlog crisis
Hate crime crisis
and any other crisis I may of unfairly missed out,

not forgetting their "no magic wand" line to end.

[Mr. Dazzle]

Televised pay per view death matches. Compulsory participation for the over 50s.

Solves it all in one fell swoop.

Proceeds go to solving the other problems.

[KungFooBob]

Televised pay per view death matches. Compulsory participation for the over 50s.

Solves it all in one fell swoop.

Proceeds go to solving the other problems.

We could have a special police to force them to comply, they could call them Sandmen or something.

[Taipan]

I wonder what differances our main parties would have on dealing with these issues...

The boat people crisis
Hospital waiting list crisis
Doctor shortage crisis
NHS dental crisis
Housing crisis
Road network crisis
Rail network crisis
Bus sevice crisis
Teacher shortage crisis
Prison space crisis
Cost of existing crisis
Knife crime crisis
Criminal courts backlog crisis
Hate crime crisis
and any other crisis I may of unfairly missed out,

not forgetting their "no magic wand" line to end.

ISTR over 70% of Brexit voters cited control of borders/immigration as their reason for voting leave. I'd wager not much has changed really and boat people/economic migrants are a big concern for a lot of people.

[Count Steer]

Televised pay per view death matches. Compulsory participation for the over 50s.

Solves it all in one fell swoop.

Proceeds go to solving the other problems.

We could have a special police to force them to comply, they could call them Sandmen or something.

Or they could go on the Carousel? Heck I'd rather run with Jenny Agutter.

[Count Steer]

I was wondering what elements in the Labour manifesto that appeal to anyone and are likely to be a success?

At this stage I wouldn't trust the Conservatives to walk my dog successfully, but I'm not sure Starmer has got the wow factor.

The economy is going to take a huge dip, like when Truss took over, which will be great if you know how to make it work for you, but aside from that I'm not sure what Labour can do in the next five years that is going to change very much.

Like when Truss decided to take on the markets and play voodoo economics you mean. That was what 'dipped the economy' not just the fact that she took over. She was either stupid to fail to understand what would happen or delusional that she'd survive the fallout if she did understand. One things for sure, what happened was predictable.

I can't see how the next government, whichever party, can gain much traction/popularity if they have to sort out the current mess. They'll do very well to get re-elected at the end of the next term given the pain they'll have to manage.

Sure, you can play the market and be laughing in the wreckage (the title of my biography ) but I'd rather be laughing in the funfair.

[Noggin]

ISTR over 70% of Brexit voters cited control of borders/immigration as their reason for voting leave. I'd wager not much has changed really and boat people/economic migrants are a big concern for a lot of people.

Leaving the EU helped with that then!!

[irie]

ISTR over 70% of Brexit voters cited control of borders/immigration as their reason for voting leave. I'd wager not much has changed really and boat people/economic migrants are a big concern for a lot of people.

Leaving the EU helped with that then!!

The fact that Britain is an island basically reachable only by sea means that migrants can't be turned back in the same way as they can be in many EU countries when they're trying to cross land borders. Are you aware that Schengen borders are closing everywhere to try to control migration?

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

Televised pay per view death matches. Compulsory participation for the over 50s.

Solves it all in one fell swoop.

Proceeds go to solving the other problems.

We could have a special police to force them to comply, they could call them Sandmen or something.

Or they could go on the Carousel? Heck I'd rather run with Jenny Agutter.

Apparently she's a really nice person, according to Dave Bickers and the rest of stunt crew on American Werewolf in London

[MyLittleStudPony]

Televised pay per view death matches. Compulsory participation for the over 50s.

Solves it all in one fell swoop.

Proceeds go to solving the other problems.

Throw the northern poor in there too. It was what they voted for. They knew what they were voting for.

[wheelnut]

The fact that Britain is an island basically reachable only by sea means that migrants can't be turned back in the same way as they can be in many EU countries when they're trying to cross land borders. Are you aware that Schengen borders are closing everywhere to try to control migration?

The fact we're an island is what's keeping migration to numbers that are a lot less than the rest of Europe are currently enjoying.

[irie]

The fact that Britain is an island basically reachable only by sea means that migrants can't be turned back in the same way as they can be in many EU countries when they're trying to cross land borders. Are you aware that Schengen borders are closing everywhere to try to control migration?

The fact we're an island is what's keeping migration to numbers that are a lot less than the rest of Europe are currently enjoying.

Our island is at the far end of the transit route.