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I've often wondered why none of them come with a big red 'delete all' button.
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Meh, they'd need imperial tools to get to my sd card
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Taipan wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 3:42 pm This guy was!


https://www.essex.police.uk/news/essex/ ... al+justice
Seeing as he could not brake in time to enter a roundabout, its done everyone in Essex a favour having him banned for a year.
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Yorick wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:30 pm
Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:15 pm I had dash cams for 1 ride on my Suzuki last year, whilst riding I realised they were more likely to be used to prosecute me than prove my innocence, so I took them off.
The filth would have to prove you were riding it.
I don't think they could do you if you put the vid on YouTube.
Jack something-or-other was done for his famous Flying ZX6R Cat and Fiddle crash after he posted the video of him doing a Conor Cummins off the road up on YouTube. I wrote about it at the time.

If you start denying its you, and it's subsequently found that it WAS you then I believe you're into offences like perverting the course of justice.
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So it's easier not to have dash cams, I watched mine after that one ride and it was obvious that I speed a lot, not massively over the limit, but in one ride there were enough offenses to get me banned.
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Got one in the car. A 1300cc diesel Fiat Doblo means I don't have to worry about any high speed shenanigans.

Won't have them on the bikes though....
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In the US the dibble need a search warrant to view the footage. As for being used as evidence to give you a Performance Award etc, there's a 1 years statute of limitations. If you're going to post the video online, make sure the date stamp is 13 months off.
The camera mounts on both the ZRX11 & ZX11 are on the screen, no part of the bike is visible in the videos.
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Boringly, after reading the owner's manual, the ZH2 has an event data recorder which in the event of an accident the Police can send to Kawasaki for interrogation.
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MingtheMerciless wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:59 pm Boringly, after reading the owner's manual, the ZH2 has an event data recorder which in the event of an accident the Police can send to Kawasaki for interrogation.
There's probably some GDPR challenge with that.
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G.P wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2023 5:15 pm
MingtheMerciless wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:59 pm Boringly, after reading the owner's manual, the ZH2 has an event data recorder which in the event of an accident the Police can send to Kawasaki for interrogation.
There's probably some GDPR challenge with that.
You give em permission though, somewhere in that enormous list of Ts and Cs you don't read.

Same way every service centre downloads the use history of your vehicle when you get it serviced.

I did kinda imagine it would be Kawasaki sending it to the police though, not vice versa ;)

Also imagine GDPR doesn't apply when investigating a (potential) crime?
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MingtheMerciless wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:59 pm Boringly, after reading the owner's manual, the ZH2 has an event data recorder which in the event of an accident the Police can send to Kawasaki for interrogation.
Many bikes have had this, for years.
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Insurance and warranty companies can also access it sometimes.

"The engine just blew up"
"Weird, cause it says right here you tried to shift into 3rd at 170mph" ;)
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How would the original T&Cs apply to a subsequent owner, especially if the vehicle was bought via a private sale?
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Mr. Dazzle wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2023 5:39 pm Insurance and warranty companies can also access it sometimes.

"The engine just blew up"
"Weird, cause it says right here you tried to shift into 3rd at 170mph" ;)
Yamaha outboards have this too. Datalogging to the nth, even the steering angle when ever you start the engine.
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MingtheMerciless wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:59 pm Boringly, after reading the owner's manual, the ZH2 has an event data recorder which in the event of an accident the Police can send to Kawasaki for interrogation.
It doesn't know who was driving or where you were. Or what the speed limit was.
And the speedo wasn't calibrated.

Etc...
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Pretty easy to tell who was driving if they're scooped up from the scene in an ambulance though right? Which is the sorta accident the Police are likely to be involved with.
cheb wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2023 5:42 pm How would the original T&Cs apply to a subsequent owner, especially if the vehicle was bought via a private sale?
They wouldn't. Most of these modern systems have an online account, app etc. though which the new owner signs up for, at which point the T&C would be agreed. They're usually also part of a tracker alarm system, sat nav etc combined doodad aren't they.

Besides, as above, I'd guess the police don't need your permission when they're investigating a crime? Would be a bit daft if they did. That's not to say such daftness isn't entirely possible :lol:

Also...my car would totally nark on me. My parent's car too (different brand). They both film the driver as well :obscene-birdiedoublered:
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Mr. Dazzle wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2023 5:17 pm
G.P wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2023 5:15 pm
MingtheMerciless wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:59 pm Boringly, after reading the owner's manual, the ZH2 has an event data recorder which in the event of an accident the Police can send to Kawasaki for interrogation.
There's probably some GDPR challenge with that.
You give em permission though, somewhere in that enormous list of Ts and Cs you don't read.

Same way every service centre downloads the use history of your vehicle when you get it serviced.

I did kinda imagine it would be Kawasaki sending it to the police though, not vice versa ;)

Also imagine GDPR doesn't apply when investigating a (potential) crime?
The manual read like the EDR would have to be removed and sent for data download.
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Yorick wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2023 5:47 pm
It doesn't know who was driving or where you were. Or what the speed limit was.
And the speedo wasn't calibrated.

Etc...
Section 172 of the Road Traffic Act requires the registered vehicle keeper to fill out the details of the person driving the car at the time of the alleged offence.
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MingtheMerciless wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:59 pm Boringly, after reading the owner's manual, the ZH2 has an event data recorder which in the event of an accident the Police can send to Kawasaki for interrogation.
The data recorder on a Kawasaki was used in a fatal crash a couple of years back, Ellesmere Port I think it think it was. Driver pulled a U-turn in a queue, rider killed. The data recorder revealed the rider had come round the bend at the back of the queue at well over 100 mph so that the driver would have started the turn when the road was clear. The bike was still doing over 70 mph at impact.
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