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JackyJoll wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:33 pm If I were Israel right now, it’s not impossible that I’d be doing what Israel is doing in Gaza right now.

None of us likes it, but it’s what war is like.
It's an interesting perspective. If you were a Palestinian, born in your homeland, what would you be doing right now?
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Count Steer wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:37 pm
JackyJoll wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:33 pm If I were Israel right now, it’s not impossible that I’d be doing what Israel is doing in Gaza right now.

None of us likes it, but it’s what war is like.
It's an interesting perspective. If you were a Palestinian, born in your homeland, what would you be doing right now?

Have I failed to leave my blighted homeland?
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If I tried to get Israeli citizenship, would other Palestinians kill me?
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JackyJoll wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:40 pm If I tried to get Israeli citizenship, would other Palestinians kill me?
Israel has 2 million Arab/Palestinian Muslim citizens or with full residency
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JackyJoll wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:40 pm If I tried to get Israeli citizenship, would other Palestinians kill me?
"Individuals born within the country receive Israeli citizenship at birth if at least one parent is a citizen. Non-Jewish foreigners may naturalize after living in the country for at least three years while holding permanent residency and demonstrating knowledge in the Hebrew language."

Please come back in a couple of years time to tell us how it's going.
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JackyJoll wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:39 pm
Count Steer wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:37 pm
JackyJoll wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:33 pm If I were Israel right now, it’s not impossible that I’d be doing what Israel is doing in Gaza right now.

None of us likes it, but it’s what war is like.
It's an interesting perspective. If you were a Palestinian, born in your homeland, what would you be doing right now?

Have I failed to leave my blighted homeland?
Assume the answer to that is "yes'.

Assume the answer to that is 'no'.

Now explain what difference it makes.
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JamJar wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:44 pm
JackyJoll wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:40 pm If I tried to get Israeli citizenship, would other Palestinians kill me?
Israel has 2 million Arab/Palestinian Muslim citizens or with full residency
I knew there were some. I don’t know if you can apply, or did you have to be in at the start.
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Count Steer wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:37 pm
JackyJoll wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:33 pm If I were Israel right now, it’s not impossible that I’d be doing what Israel is doing in Gaza right now.

None of us likes it, but it’s what war is like.
It's an interesting perspective. If you were a Palestinian, born in your homeland, what would you be doing right now?
As I have said before, two wrongs do not make a right. Both sides have a 'valid' excuse, both sides are wrong. And innocent people are being killed, on both sides and by both sides.
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Count Steer wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:46 pm
JackyJoll wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:39 pm
Count Steer wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:37 pm

It's an interesting perspective. If you were a Palestinian, born in your homeland, what would you be doing right now?

Have I failed to leave my blighted homeland?
Assume the answer to that is "yes'.

Assume the answer to that is 'no'.

Now explain what difference it makes.
In Gaza, I’d probably have to do what the terrorists tell me, until that gets me killed.

Anywhere else, I’d probably try to fit in and avoid the local Moslems.
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Cousin Jack wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:48 pm
Count Steer wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:37 pm
JackyJoll wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:33 pm If I were Israel right now, it’s not impossible that I’d be doing what Israel is doing in Gaza right now.

None of us likes it, but it’s what war is like.
It's an interesting perspective. If you were a Palestinian, born in your homeland, what would you be doing right now?
As I have said before, two wrongs do not make a right. Both sides have a 'valid' excuse, both sides are wrong. And innocent people are being killed, on both sides and by both sides.
As I said, I don’t like it.

What would you do if you were Israel, after 7th October 2023?
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Cousin Jack wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:48 pm
Count Steer wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:37 pm
JackyJoll wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:33 pm If I were Israel right now, it’s not impossible that I’d be doing what Israel is doing in Gaza right now.

None of us likes it, but it’s what war is like.
It's an interesting perspective. If you were a Palestinian, born in your homeland, what would you be doing right now?
As I have said before, two wrongs do not make a right. Both sides have a 'valid' excuse, both sides are wrong. And innocent people are being killed, on both sides and by both sides.
With due respect, I wasn't asking you Jack.
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Count Steer wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:54 pm
Cousin Jack wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:48 pm
Count Steer wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:37 pm

It's an interesting perspective. If you were a Palestinian, born in your homeland, what would you be doing right now?
As I have said before, two wrongs do not make a right. Both sides have a 'valid' excuse, both sides are wrong. And innocent people are being killed, on both sides and by both sides.
With due respect, I wasn't asking you Jack.
Oh don’t be like that!

Chat in the forum or get a room (without me).
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Count Steer wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:54 pm
Cousin Jack wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:48 pm
Count Steer wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:37 pm

It's an interesting perspective. If you were a Palestinian, born in your homeland, what would you be doing right now?
As I have said before, two wrongs do not make a right. Both sides have a 'valid' excuse, both sides are wrong. And innocent people are being killed, on both sides and by both sides.
With due respect, I wasn't asking you Jack.
True, but this is t'internet. My twopenneth is incoming, get used to it. :D
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JackyJoll wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:51 pm
Count Steer wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:46 pm
JackyJoll wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:39 pm


Have I failed to leave my blighted homeland?
Assume the answer to that is "yes'.

Assume the answer to that is 'no'.

Now explain what difference it makes.
In Gaza, I’d probably have to do what the terrorists tell me, until that gets me killed.

Anywhere else, I’d probably try to fit in and avoid the local Moslems.
Ah. OK you've put a lot of thought into it.
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Count Steer wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:58 pm
JackyJoll wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:51 pm
Count Steer wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:46 pm

Assume the answer to that is "yes'.

Assume the answer to that is 'no'.

Now explain what difference it makes.
In Gaza, I’d probably have to do what the terrorists tell me, until that gets me killed.

Anywhere else, I’d probably try to fit in and avoid the local Moslems.
Ah. OK you've put a lot of thought into it.
I don’t expect to “win” an argument. I’m trying to realistically visualise the situation.

Give me your comparative opinions.
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JackyJoll wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:52 pm l
As I said, I don’t like it.

What would you do if you were Israel, after 7th October 2023?
If I were Israel I would have negotiated a 2 state solution long ago. 7th October would just be another day.

Now it has happened it is even more urgent to agree a compromise, or it will happen again.
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Cousin Jack wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:57 pm
Count Steer wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:54 pm
Cousin Jack wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:48 pm

As I have said before, two wrongs do not make a right. Both sides have a 'valid' excuse, both sides are wrong. And innocent people are being killed, on both sides and by both sides.
With due respect, I wasn't asking you Jack.
True, but this is t'internet. My twopenneth is incoming, get used to it. :D
That's fine but it seems whenever there's an intellectual knife fight on here the usual suspects turn up waving a spoon and claiming that they're deadly spoonists and hiding what they really are (usually just your common or garden racists) behind the light of their wondrous spoon.

I may have stretched that analogy a bit. :lol:
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Cousin Jack wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 9:08 pm
JackyJoll wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:52 pm l
As I said, I don’t like it.

What would you do if you were Israel, after 7th October 2023?
If I were Israel I would have negotiated a 2 state solution long ago. 7th October would just be another day.

Now it has happened it is even more urgent to agree a compromise, or it will happen again.
You mean like the Oslo Acords?
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I strongly refute being a racist, and I have NEVER, EVER been accused of being a deadly spoonist!

I will admit to stirring the pot occasionaly, but always in an equal-opportunty fashion. And usually when I really believe what I am writing.
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JamJar wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 9:24 pm
Cousin Jack wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 9:08 pm
JackyJoll wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:52 pm l
As I said, I don’t like it.

What would you do if you were Israel, after 7th October 2023?
If I were Israel I would have negotiated a 2 state solution long ago. 7th October would just be another day.

Now it has happened it is even more urgent to agree a compromise, or it will happen again.
You mean like the Oslo Acords?
A lot has happened since Oslo. Most of it has not been favourable to Palastinians.
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