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[mangocrazy]

I'm not really interested in redefining the way I look at motorcycles. I own motorcycles from 1980 (RD350LC), 1988 (VFR750), 1991 (Ducati 888 SP3), 2008 (Aprilia Falco) and 2017 (KTM Duke 690 R) and I appreciate all of them, for different reasons. But I know that any bike I buy in the future will need to weigh less than 200kg wet, and preferably closer to 150kg. I also know that for the kind of riding I do these days, 70hp is as low as I want to go.

70hp in a 150kg bike such as my Duke 690 is perfectly adequate for hooning around the local B roads. It's not adequate if (for example) I wanted to ride to the south of France, as I quite often do. I'm currently thinking about selling the VFR, simply because it's getting too heavy for me. It weighs at least 220kg wet, and I want to reduce that figure to 180-190kg with a similar power output (100bhp nominal). That brings me to KTM Duke 790/890 and MT-09 territory.

There is nothing within a country mile in an electric vehicle that weighs less than 200kg, can take me to the S of F without extended delays and has a 100 hp motor, and I don't see that changing any time soon.

[Tricky]

Moto Morini Corsara Sport 750 v-twin - looks lovely! Really fresh, innovative styling.

I really like the look of that. Not sure my wrists/back/knees would agree though...

I do too

Oh, and You could always fit different bars

[mangocrazy]

Moto Morini Corsara Sport 750 v-twin - looks lovely! Really fresh, innovative styling.

I really like the look of that. Not sure my wrists/back/knees would agree though...

I do too

Oh, and You could always fit different bars

Hah! Don't get me started...

[MrLongbeard]

320kg? Are you f'n kidding me?

The starting price of £25k is more a bother than the weight, if it were sensible money it's not a million miles away from being tempting.

[Yorick]

Moto Morini Corsara Sport 750 v-twin - looks lovely! Really fresh, innovative styling.

HTF you gonna tuck in on track ?

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

When you see them side by side like this, you have to wonder wtf Honda were thinking.

I suspect it's about cost, the CB1000R is an expensive bike compared with the GSXS1000, the new cheap and nasty version looks cheaper to make and can be priced closer to the GSXS

[Bustaspoke]

I really like the look of that.

I like the silhouette but the top frame tube looks a bit odd,I'd have a closer look if I saw one in a shop unlike a lot of the new bikes.

[mangocrazy]

320kg? Are you f'n kidding me?

The starting price of £25k is more a bother than the weight, if it were sensible money it's not a million miles away from being tempting.

I agree that the pricing is ridiculous, but (from my POV) so is the weight. 320kg is 100kg heavier than the heaviest bike I own, and I'm seriously thinking of selling that simply because it's getting too heavy for me (maan).

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

Moto Morini Corsara Sport 750 v-twin - looks lovely! Really fresh, innovative styling.

It's okay, but I'm not seeing anything fresh or innovative in the styling.

[mangocrazy]

I really like the look of that.

I like the silhouette but the top frame tube looks a bit odd,I'd have a closer look if I saw one in a shop unlike a lot of the new bikes.

Take your point - hadn't noticed that. Looking closer I'm wondering if the swingarm runs in the crankcases as per Ducatis of a certain vintage.

[Skub]

50-odd hp was a proper motorcycle back in the mid-70s

60-odd hp was pretty wild.

70-odd hp was only for experts

What did Ted Simon ride around the world on?

My brother rode from London, across the Sahara and down the length of Africa (minus S Africa because of border issues) and back to Mombasa on a 26 hp 250 single

Yeahbutt,need and want are not on speaking terms amongst most bikerista. Too much is never enough powah.

[Noggin]

Sorry, he's only sent me Fireblade pics for the moment

[MrLongbeard]

320kg? Are you f'n kidding me?

The starting price of £25k is more a bother than the weight, if it were sensible money it's not a million miles away from being tempting.

I agree that the pricing is ridiculous, but (from my POV) so is the weight. 320kg is 100kg heavier than the heaviest bike I own, and I'm seriously thinking of selling that simply because it's getting too heavy for me (maan).

It's 14Kgs heavier than my current bike, which'd make it a probably a wee bit lighter when I'm all luggaged up.

[The Spin Doctor]

There is nothing within a country mile in an electric vehicle that weighs less than 200kg, can take me to the S of F without extended delays and has a 100 hp motor, and I don't see that changing any time soon.

Lightning Motorcycles has been working on new fast-charging battery technology from Enevate.

https://electrek.co/2023/03/15/lightnin ... k-fill-up/

"The company’s next-generation silicon-anode batteries claim a much faster recharge time, which Lightning says allows its electric motorcycles to get a nearly full battery recharge in as little as 10 minutes. That’s still a bit longer than a gasoline fill-up, but since most touring riders generally use a fuel-stop as a chance to stretch their legs after a few hours on a cramped bike, a 10-minute refueling window is fairly reasonable in the touring world.

"Lightning has been testing a prototype of the system by using its Lightning Strike motorcycle outfitted with a 24 kWh battery from Enevate."

On their website they quote "20% to 90% in 12 minutes" for that technology.

Meanwhile, back with the original 20 kWh, straight line performance should keep you happy and it's not that heavy either.

https://lightningmotorcycle.com/strike-r/

[KungFooBob]

This has to be the maddest bike of the show so far...

Remember when Kawasaki bought a majority share of Bimota, which meant Bimota got access to the engine from the H2 and made a mad new Tesi?

Well, imagine they then made an ADV version...



For when the V4 Multistrada just isn't fast enough.

[mangocrazy]

There is nothing within a country mile in an electric vehicle that weighs less than 200kg, can take me to the S of F without extended delays and has a 100 hp motor, and I don't see that changing any time soon.

Lightning Motorcycles has been working on new fast-charging battery technology from Enevate.

https://electrek.co/2023/03/15/lightnin ... k-fill-up/

"The company’s next-generation silicon-anode batteries claim a much faster recharge time, which Lightning says allows its electric motorcycles to get a nearly full battery recharge in as little as 10 minutes. That’s still a bit longer than a gasoline fill-up, but since most touring riders generally use a fuel-stop as a chance to stretch their legs after a few hours on a cramped bike, a 10-minute refueling window is fairly reasonable in the touring world.

"Lightning has been testing a prototype of the system by using its Lightning Strike motorcycle outfitted with a 24 kWh battery from Enevate."

On their website they quote "20% to 90% in 12 minutes" for that technology.

Meanwhile, back with the original 20 kWh, straight line performance should keep you happy and it's not that heavy either.

https://lightningmotorcycle.com/strike-r/

In IT terms, the Lightning Strike electric bike is vapourware. All the 'manufacturers' are interested in is getting you to invest. There's no idea of pricing, just pie in the sky promises. Has anyone actually bought one and road tested it? The electric bike market appears full of charlatans, chancers and ne'er do wells.

[The Spin Doctor]

In IT terms, the Lightning Strike electric bike is vapourware. All the 'manufacturers' are interested in is getting you to invest. There's no idea of pricing, just pie in the sky promises. Has anyone actually bought one and road tested it? The electric bike market appears full of charlatans, chancers and ne'er do wells.

To be honest, I agree that it's far from clear whether Lightning are actually delivering bikes to paying customers. I certainly wouldn't be rushing to lay down cash on one. But I know Alan Crashcart tested one some years back.

[mangocrazy]

This youtube video backs up my gut feeling about Lightning Motorcycles...

[ChrisW]

This has to be the maddest bike of the show so far...

Remember when Kawasaki bought a majority share of Bimota, which meant Bimota got access to the engine from the H2 and made a mad new Tesi?

Well, imagine they then made an ADV version..For when the V4 Multistrada just isn't fast enough.

It's one of the most unexpected (inexplicable?) moves a major manufacturer has made in recent years, good on them. All a bit daft, mind.

[Rockburner]

This has to be the maddest bike of the show so far...

Remember when Kawasaki bought a majority share of Bimota, which meant Bimota got access to the engine from the H2 and made a mad new Tesi?

Well, imagine they then made an ADV version...



For when the V4 Multistrada just isn't fast enough.

That's dumb. HCS is a crap off-road system, so is Telelever, come to that, despite the GSs success. Forks are just better off-road, lighter, greater travel length, and better range of movement horizontally.