Long warranty periods

[v8-powered]

Currently abroad, not a million miles from @Yorick, and happened to browse in a bike shop - amazed to see what looks like a Chinese brand of bike and they are offering a 6 year warranty on them.

Have things moved on that much in quality or are they just prepared to take a hit? Bikes looked nice too.....

[Skub]

No doubt about it,the Chinese bikes are coming.

I wonder about the small print on the warranty,being the cynic I am.

[v8-powered]

No doubt about it,the Chinese bikes are coming.

I wonder about the small print on the warranty,being the cynic I am.

Possibly lots of T&Cs involved, I'm sure but they must have a degree of confidence in the product.

[Wossname]

Interestingly (IMO), What Car's recent analysis of the best hybrids (I know, pinch of salt, but still) has 5 out of the top 10 as Korean cars. Korea has only being making cars for 20 minutes, but provides longer warranties than anyone else - 5/7 years. China will probably beat that very soon.

Having said that, my recent and only experience of a Chinese car, an MG HS petrol, was very poor and left me with the conclusion that they don't seem to have learned much from the rest of the world, and have a long way to go.

[Yorick]

Currently abroad, not a million miles from @Yorick, and happened to browse in a bike shop - amazed to see what looks like a Chinese brand of bike and they are offering a 6 year warranty on them.

Have things moved on that much in quality or are they just prepared to take a hit? Bikes looked nice too.....

Where are you?

[v8-powered]

Currently abroad, not a million miles from @Yorick, and happened to browse in a bike shop - amazed to see what looks like a Chinese brand of bike and they are offering a 6 year warranty on them.

Have things moved on that much in quality or are they just prepared to take a hit? Bikes looked nice too.....

Where are you?

Madeira. Couple of hundred I guess?

[v8-powered]

I just googled the company QJMotor - owned by Geely.

[ZRX61]

Interestingly (IMO), What Car's recent analysis of the best hybrids (I know, pinch of salt, but still) has 5 out of the top 10 as Korean cars. Korea has only being making cars for 20 minutes, but provides longer warranties than anyone else - 5/7 years. China will probably beat that very soon.

Having said that, my recent and only experience of a Chinese car, an MG HS petrol, was very poor and left me with the conclusion that they don't seem to have learned much from the rest of the world, and have a long way to go.

They kinda have to if they want to sell cars. Their IC engines are still total shitshows. Gal had her Kia engine grenade, there are TWENTY SEVEN others in line for new engines ahead of hers at the dealer.

[mangocrazy]

Aren't Hyundai Korean, and haven't they been selling into the UK market since the early 80s? They also seem to feature very highly in 'most reliable but boring car' lists, as well...

[ZRX61]

Aren't Hyundai Korean, and haven't they been selling into the UK market since the early 80s? They also seem to feature very highly in 'most reliable but boring car' lists, as well...

Reliable for every day stuff, but they top the lists for blown engines... and that's been the case for years.

[Bigjawa]

Aren't Hyundai Korean, and haven't they been selling into the UK market since the early 80s? They also seem to feature very highly in 'most reliable but boring car' lists, as well...

Reliable for every day stuff, but they top the lists for blown engines... and that's been the case for years.

Hyundai engines use a bit of oil, people never check then boom.

I've owned one car that went through consecutive MOTs without the need for any work.

A Hyundai Accent.

Hyundai make great motors. I'd take a Hyundai over a Ford all day, every day.

[Mr. Dazzle]

I was about say "I don't know of a single person IRL who's had a blown engine", but then I remembered I do. Me. My 320d munched it's timing chain, but apparently they all do that sooner or later. Either way though, it's an exceptionally rare event if me and my peers are anything to go by.

On the OP though, it's chicken<->egg though innit?

"I'm not buying a Chinese bike, they're unreliable"
"Ooh look, this Chinese bike comes with a 6 year warranty, they must be reliable if they can offer that!"

Same reason Kia offered (offer?) a 7 year warranty. Which brand was it that didn't offer at all because "you don't need one"?

[Bigjawa]

I was about say "I don't know of a single person IRL who's had a blown engine", but then I remembered I do. Me. My 320d munched it's timing chain, but apparently they all do that sooner or later. Either way though, it's an exceptionally rare event if me and my peers are anything to go by.

Ford 3 cylinder EcoBoost. Some genius designed it with a wet timing belt that breaks up, if it doesn't just snap, it clogs the oil ways.

Absolute POS.

[Wossname]

Aren't Hyundai Korean, and haven't they been selling into the UK market since the early 80s? They also seem to feature very highly in 'most reliable but boring car' lists, as well...

Reliable for every day stuff, but they top the lists for blown engines... and that's been the case for years.

I’d have thought that engines would be kind of important ish in reliability reputation terms? And it hasn’t “been the case for years”. It may have been the case years ago, in the US, where they seem to sell/ have sold different models with ? different engines. But they certainly don’t seem to have that reputation in Europe.

[ZRX61]

I’d have thought that engines would be kind of important ish in reliability reputation terms? And it hasn’t “been the case for years”. It may have been the case years ago, in the US, where they seem to sell/ have sold different models with ? different engines. But they certainly don’t seem to have that reputation in Europe.

That gal being 28th in line for a new engine at ONE dealer would tend to indicate that it is absolutely still the case.

[Wossname]

I was about say "I don't know of a single person IRL who's had a blown engine", but then I remembered I do. Me. My 320d munched its timing chain, but apparently they all do that sooner or later.

That’s the only example of serious engine failures I know of that seems to be genuine. From chats with several mates in the garage trade, BMW 3/5/X 2 litre and ?3 litre diesels of a certain era/engine code (?) are “nicht fur touchen” - if they haven’t gone pop already, they will, and often and lowish mileages. Engines are fixable, but at a cost.

The other problem there is that it’s a premium brand, while Kia and Hyundai are regarded as “budget”.

[Wossname]

I’d have thought that engines would be kind of important ish in reliability reputation terms? And it hasn’t “been the case for years”. It may have been the case years ago, in the US, where they seem to sell/ have sold different models with ? different engines. But they certainly don’t seem to have that reputation in Europe.

That gal being 28th in line for a new engine at ONE dealer would tend to indicate that it is absolutely still the case.

That (genuine) problem only seems to apply to US built cars, not those built elsewhere i.e. the rest of the world. Something to do with an engine plant in Alabama, apparently…

I don’t know if you have the same long warranty over there, but that wouldn’t compensate for having a dead car in a queue of dead cars.

[ZRX61]

That (genuine) problem only seems to apply to US built cars, not those built elsewhere i.e. the rest of the world. Something to do with an engine plant in Alabama, apparently…

I don’t know if you have the same long warranty over there, but that wouldn’t compensate for having a dead car in a queue of dead cars.

That's the same deal with the 10R series transmission. GM use the same basic slushbox, but appear to have better machining practices & QC than Ford. Same issue plagued Ford years ago while Mazda boxes were just fine. Years ago I had a Focus that went through four transmissions in fewer than 10K miles, the first one STB at 57 miles.

There's also the story than the workers at the Chicago plant where ST's are built were sabotaging the Explorers, which lead to them going to another Ford plant for final inspection before being shipped to dealers. That probably explains why the ST sitting in the garage was built in March 2020, but didn't get to a dealership until November 2020.

US Kia warranty:
10-year/100,000 mile limited powertrain warranty
5-year/60,000 mile limited basic warranty
5-year/100,000 mile limited anti-perforation warranty
5-year/60,000 mile roadside assistance plan

In the US most cars are going to hit 100K miles well before 10 years.

[Horse]

I was about say "I don't know of a single person IRL who's had a blown engine", but then I remembered I do. Me. My 320d munched its timing chain, but apparently they all do that sooner or later.

That’s the only example of serious engine failures I know of that seems to be genuine.

BiL's Jag broke its cam chain at about 60k miles, a few months ago. No idea which model.

[Bigjawa]

I was about say "I don't know of a single person IRL who's had a blown engine", but then I remembered I do. Me. My 320d munched its timing chain, but apparently they all do that sooner or later.

That’s the only example of serious engine failures I know of that seems to be genuine. From chats with several mates in the garage trade, BMW 3/5/X 2 litre and ?3 litre diesels of a certain era/engine code (?) are “nicht fur touchen” - if they haven’t gone pop already, they will, and often and lowish mileages. Engines are fixable, but at a cost.

Didn't the 2.5 5 cylinder BMW engines fitted to the Range Rover and TD5 Disco and Defender blow up from the oil pump drive sprocket shearing off?