Will Russia invade the Ukraine?

[Count Steer]

Blah blah ~900 words blah blah blah ...

tl;dr

If you can't say what you mean in 5 succinct paragraphs then you don't know what you're talking about.

Not read many books then?

[irie]

Blah blah ~900 words blah blah blah ...

tl;dr

If you can't say what you mean in 5 succinct paragraphs then you don't know what you're talking about.

Not read many books then?

Not read many forums then?

Hint: forums <> books

[Horse]

tl;dr

If you can't say what you mean in 5 succinct paragraphs then you don't know what you're talking about.

Not read many books then?

Not read many forums then?

Hint: forums <> books

Says the guy who complained that I was being deceptive when I edited out reams of irrelevant text from a post when quoting it.

[Count Steer]

tl;dr

If you can't say what you mean in 5 succinct paragraphs then you don't know what you're talking about.

Not read many books then?

Not read many forums then?

Hint: forums <> books

It's actually quite refreshing to see a bit of thought and rationale in posts rather than blunt statements on what people hope will happen with a couple of links to people that hope the same.

Might be more interesting if you used a few more words on why you think someone's analysis is incorrect rather than claim they don't know what they're talking about - just because they're not agreeing with what you hope for.

[irie]

Not read many books then?

Not read many forums then?

Hint: forums <> books

It's actually quite refreshing to see a bit of thought and rationale in posts rather than blunt statements on what people hope will happen with a couple of links to people that hope the same.

Might be more interesting if you used a few more words on why you think someone's analysis is incorrect rather than claim they don't know what they're talking about - just because they're not agreeing with what you hope for.

As you can see by the use of "tl;dr" my objection was not to accuracy or otherwise of the post, but was instead to the unnecessary sheer verbosity of the post.

hth

[Count Steer]

Not read many forums then?

Hint: forums <> books

It's actually quite refreshing to see a bit of thought and rationale in posts rather than blunt statements on what people hope will happen with a couple of links to people that hope the same.

Might be more interesting if you used a few more words on why you think someone's analysis is incorrect rather than claim they don't know what they're talking about - just because they're not agreeing with what you hope for.

As you can see by the use of "tl;dr" my objection was not to accuracy or otherwise of the post, but was instead to the unnecessary sheer verbosity of the post.

hth

I have no idea what tl;dr means without Googling. Perhaps a little more verbosity?

[irie]

The US media has been reporting that President Joe Biden's authorisation for the deployment of long range ATACMS could be imminent

There are also reports that over 30 US Abrams tanks have all ready arrived in Europe (and are presumably in transit to Ukraine) and that Denmark will transfer 45 more Leopard tanks to Ukraine.

This will help to reinforce Ukraine's push towards the Sea of Azov, thus cutting the Russian land supply bridge to Crimea.

[Screwdriver]

Just in time to get stuck in the mud.

[irie]

Just in time to get stuck in the mud.

[Horse]

That's taking tldr a bit to the extreme

[Screwdriver]

That's taking tldr a bit to the extreme

Unusual to see one of my posts quoted in full though so no complaints here.

[irie]

https://www.politico.eu/article/kyiv-uk ... 0warehouse.

Ukrainian special forces early on Tuesday struck two Russian military airfields, saying they successfully destroyed nine Russian military helicopters, an anti-aircraft missile system, and an ammunition warehouse.

The attacks took place in occupied Berdyansk, a southern city in the Zaporizhzhia region; and at an airfield in Luhansk, an occupied city in eastern Ukraine.

Using ...

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/17/poli ... index.html

The US secretly provided Ukraine with long-range ATACMS missiles, according to two US officials, providing Ukraine with a significant new capability that could allow its forces to hit new Russian targets that were previously out of reach

[Mussels]

Ukraine has had some good successes in the past few days, Russia still hasn't learned that you can't send in big columns of armour in a drone war.

[irie]

3 in one day, and before the F-16's arrive!

Ukraine shot down three Russian Su-34 fighter bombers over the southern front on Friday morning, its air force said.

Russian Telegram accounts said the aircraft were shot down by Patriot anti-aircraft missiles near Ukraine’s Kherson bridgehead over the river Dnipro.

Oleksii Danilov, secretary of Ukraine’s security council, said they had been “hunting” the three jets for a “long time”.

“These aircraft interfered and created danger for our soldiers,” he said.

The Su-34 is one of Russia’s most advanced aircraft and can carry out strikes on targets up to 600 miles away with a payload of 12 tons of bombs and missiles.

Each Su-34 is reported to cost somewhere between £28 million and £39 million.

Lt Gen Mykola Oleshchuk, the Ukrainian air force commander, said soldiers had found the message “die, f----rs” inscribed on shrapnel from a Russian Shahed drone downed overnight. “What a great idea! Here’s our answer,” he wrote on Telegram. “Today at noon on the southern front, three Russian Su-34 fighter-bombers were downed! Eternal flight, ‘brothers’!”

According to the Ukrainian military, since the beginning of the full-scale invasion of Ukraine, Russia has lost 324 warplanes and helicopters.

Russia is thought to have had around 150 Su-34s before it launched the invasion. More than 20 of them were reported as being shot down by Ukraine before Friday’s losses.

[Bigjawa]

3 in one day, and before the F-16's arrive!

Ukraine shot down three Russian Su-34 fighter bombers over the southern front on Friday morning, its air force said.

Russian Telegram accounts said the aircraft were shot down by Patriot anti-aircraft missiles near Ukraine’s Kherson bridgehead over the river Dnipro.

Oleksii Danilov, secretary of Ukraine’s security council, said they had been “hunting” the three jets for a “long time”.

“These aircraft interfered and created danger for our soldiers,” he said.

The Su-34 is one of Russia’s most advanced aircraft and can carry out strikes on targets up to 600 miles away with a payload of 12 tons of bombs and missiles.

Each Su-34 is reported to cost somewhere between £28 million and £39 million.

Lt Gen Mykola Oleshchuk, the Ukrainian air force commander, said soldiers had found the message “die, f----rs” inscribed on shrapnel from a Russian Shahed drone downed overnight. “What a great idea! Here’s our answer,” he wrote on Telegram. “Today at noon on the southern front, three Russian Su-34 fighter-bombers were downed! Eternal flight, ‘brothers’!”

According to the Ukrainian military, since the beginning of the full-scale invasion of Ukraine, Russia has lost 324 warplanes and helicopters.

Russia is thought to have had around 150 Su-34s before it launched the invasion. More than 20 of them were reported as being shot down by Ukraine before Friday’s losses.

The F-16s won't be some all powerful killing machines, if they actually go over Russian territory, they'll face missiles that make old Patriots look like bottle rockets.

[irie]

The F-16s won't be some all powerful killing machines, if they actually go over Russian territory, they'll face missiles that make old Patriots look like bottle rockets.

Of course F16's aren't all powerful killing machines, (imo) it's the combination of F16's + Patriots + Abrams + Leopards + Storm Shadow/ ScalpEG + ATACMS + etc. that are key.

[demographic]

Surprised there's enough American arms available. I thought it was all tied up in helping commit genocide against the Palestinians to get Hamas back for a war crime?

[JackyJoll]

I thought it was all tied up in helping commit genocide against the Palestinians to get Hamas back for a war crime?

There’s another thread for that.

[demographic]

I thought it was all tied up in helping commit genocide against the Palestinians to get Hamas back for a war crime?

There’s another thread for that.

Another news thread? Or do we have an ignoring genocide we're ignoring thread? Sorry I missed it.

[irie]

I thought it was all tied up in helping commit genocide against the Palestinians to get Hamas back for a war crime?

There’s another thread for that.

Another news thread? Or do we have an ignoring genocide we're ignoring thread? Sorry I missed it.

You mean also ignoring the "From the River to the Sea" genocide bit? Sorry, I missed it. Two sides to every story, sunshine.