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cheb wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 8:55 am Roughly how much is the top up health insurance?

I try to avoid any of the optional insurances, based on how infrequently I would have claimed versus the savings of repeated 'Only £8.99 per month sir' blandishments. I've never lost a bunch of keys nor a phone for example. The only exception is when hiring a car, I have all the bells and whistles on that one.
When I first took out the insurance it was approx 37€ a month and stayed at that for a few years. Once I turned 50 it went up a bit and I'm now paying 42€ a month. Given I live somewhere that is very slippery for about 6 months of the year and partake in, for now 2 dangerous sports (hoping to add a couple more in the coming years, but nothing to do with cycles!!) and I have form for falling over my own feet even indoors, I have to assume that I'll need doctors at some point!!

But, it also covers normal doctors and specialists. Because the GPs up here are private (due to it being a ski resort) you have to pay for each appointment @ 25€ a throw. So I pay that and then get it back through the government Carte Vitale system and the mutuelle. When I went to the gyne last week I had to pay 30€ but I'll get that back as with the GP costs (that appointment included a full women's MOT - well, not the squishy bit, luckily - as well as a prescription!). Prescriptions are also covered - some meds are 100% covers by the government part (cancer, HRT, thyroid and probably others) and the rest are 70/30. Although I did get a quote recently for a mutuelle that only covers one GP visit a year :o :o :o

Weirdly in France, you have to pay for contraceptives (so I'm told) but not for HRT!! I suppose it isn't weird given the main religion, but it's weird to me!! LOL

My physio is 25€ a throw and I know the shoulder op went into the 1000's€. Guessing the plate in the leg was around a grand? The five months residential rehab plus the 2.5 months for the leg/shoulder probably adds up to 10's of thousands. All covered.

Maybe most people wouldn't bother with the rehab centres for basic injuries (no idea how often it's offered and for what exactly, but know a friend stayed for a few weeks post cruciate op),but for me, if I had had the shoulder op I did here but in the uk, I would have no use of my right arm - this was the Bristol surgeon who told me that (probably partly due to different attitudes but mostly due to the lack of decent rehab). I was told that the inverse shoulder replacement is only to relieve pain, not to gain movement. But, I can lift my arm to 90 degrees and actually use it reasonably well in most normal situations. Some are more difficult than others, and I've not seen my best physio since April cos he's not been here, so things aren't so good right now.

I do appreciate that I might not 'need' any medical treatment for the next 10 years so might be 'wasting' 43€+ a month for the next ten years. However, given the FUF nature of my balance, previous form etc, I do think that for me (especially as someone that will probably only be able to earn seasonally and even then not loads) it is totally worth it. The shoulder surgeon has already told me I'll need the metalwork replaced within the next ten years, so . . . . . . .


Sorry - probably too much info!! But giving the price of insurance without some of the costs of medical treatment seemed to not really show a balance. Obviously I have friends that maybe see a GP once a year and have never seen the inside of a hospital so they don't see why they should have insurance :D
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That's not too much info. I like reading stuff by ex pats, it gives me a comparison to living costs etc for the UK.
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cheb wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 11:27 am That's not too much info. I like reading stuff by ex pats, it gives me a comparison to living costs etc for the UK.
When talking to my brother about his issues with healthcare in the UK etc, I'd say healthcare plus top up insurance here is incredibly cheap for an amazing service!

He pays private insurance that's well over £100 a month. And still struggles to get the sort of care that I do here :(


I do know that some expat friends out here resent having to pay the insurance, but without it, I'd have probably had to sell my apartment to pay for the rehab!!
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Because we're not working and paying into the system, we must have private health insurance. It's about 1500€ a year, but we go for the top level of cover.
It's very good and covers everything.
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Yorick wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:11 pm Because we're not working and paying into the system, we must have private health insurance. It's about 1500€ a year, but we go for the top level of cover.
It's very good and covers everything.
Does that cover you both? If so, it's not that bad considering it is fully private. Because I do pay into the system, I just need the top up version
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Noggin wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:24 pm
Yorick wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:11 pm Because we're not working and paying into the system, we must have private health insurance. It's about 1500€ a year, but we go for the top level of cover.
It's very good and covers everything.
Does that cover you both? If so, it's not that bad considering it is fully private. Because I do pay into the system, I just need the top up version
It's each. But can reduce the level of cover when I hit state pension age. I'll get full state Spanish NHS but keep some private cover to top up.
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Yorick wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:08 pm
Noggin wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:24 pm
Yorick wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:11 pm Because we're not working and paying into the system, we must have private health insurance. It's about 1500€ a year, but we go for the top level of cover.
It's very good and covers everything.
Does that cover you both? If so, it's not that bad considering it is fully private. Because I do pay into the system, I just need the top up version
It's each. But can reduce the level of cover when I hit state pension age. I'll get full state Spanish NHS but keep some private cover to top up.
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Yorick wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:08 pm
Noggin wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:24 pm
Yorick wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:11 pm Because we're not working and paying into the system, we must have private health insurance. It's about 1500€ a year, but we go for the top level of cover.
It's very good and covers everything.
Does that cover you both? If so, it's not that bad considering it is fully private. Because I do pay into the system, I just need the top up version
It's each. But can reduce the level of cover when I hit state pension age. I'll get full state Spanish NHS but keep some private cover to top up.
Wifey has taken a small job, teaching English a couple of evenings a week at the language school we go to for Spanish. It's a proper job with a contract and obvs the social security number, wifey now has her SIP card. Because she has one the I can get one, both on the Spanish NHS age 60. 🙂
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Photo of the origin of the Luton fire show a LR Evoque with the fire starting under the left side... where the li-Ion batteries are.

So one Hybrid EV took out 1200 other vehicles.
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ZRX61 wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2023 9:10 pm Photo of the origin of the Luton fire show a LR Evoque with the fire starting under the left side... where the li-Ion batteries are.

So one Hybrid EV took out 1200 other vehicles.
Allegedly ;)
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As was said earlier, the picture I saw didn't look like oil burning! :D
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ZRX61 wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2023 9:10 pm Photo of the origin of the Luton fire show a LR Evoque with the fire starting under the left side... where the li-Ion batteries are.

So one Hybrid EV took out 1200 other vehicles.
I wouldn't know one way or the other what caused the fire (in the same way that nobody here does), and something electric-related seems like a viable contender.... But... what you say is disingenuous. The battery is under the rear seat (both sides), and the fire appeared to start from the front left.

So, while it may well still be the cause somehow, your smoking gun doesn't seem very accurate.
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Slenver wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2023 9:39 pm
ZRX61 wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2023 9:10 pm Photo of the origin of the Luton fire show a LR Evoque with the fire starting under the left side... where the li-Ion batteries are.

So one Hybrid EV took out 1200 other vehicles.
I wouldn't know one way or the other what caused the fire (in the same way that nobody here does), and something electric-related seems like a viable contender.... But... what you say is disingenuous. The battery is under the rear seat (both sides), and the fire appeared to start from the front left.

So, while it may well still be the cause somehow, your smoking gun doesn't seem very accurate.
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Does that mean 6% less fuel consumption. 🤷🏻‍♂️
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Bah, if you ask me all them other cars shouldn't be filled up with highly inflammable liquids! Asking for trouble.

Never seen a mass bike rack fire, just saying.
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There have been a number of high-profile car park fires over the years, and the Liverpool Echo Arena fire is perhaps the most significant of them all. On New Year’s Eve in 2017, a 16-year-old car went up in flames, starting a blaze that spread quickly through the MSCP. 1,200 vehicles were destroyed, costing insurers an estimated £20million.

https://highlightparking.co.uk/fire-ris ... car-parks/
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ZRX61 wrote: Tue Oct 17, 2023 4:15 am
Slenver wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2023 9:39 pm
ZRX61 wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2023 9:10 pm Photo of the origin of the Luton fire show a LR Evoque with the fire starting under the left side... where the li-Ion batteries are.

So one Hybrid EV took out 1200 other vehicles.
I wouldn't know one way or the other what caused the fire (in the same way that nobody here does), and something electric-related seems like a viable contender.... But... what you say is disingenuous. The battery is under the rear seat (both sides), and the fire appeared to start from the front left.

So, while it may well still be the cause somehow, your smoking gun doesn't seem very accurate.
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That isn't a hybrid though, that's just a mild hybrid. The hybrid is below. We're maybe just getting into semantics now, but if you're counting mild hybrids as 'EV's' because they have a battery, then you ought to count all cars as they also have batteries.


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Not to mention all the non-hybrid cars and bikes which have 12V lithium ion batteries. And caravans, although I'll grant you there aren't many of those in multi level car parks.
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Mr. Dazzle wrote: Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:35 am Not to mention all the non-hybrid cars and bikes which have 12V lithium ion batteries. And caravans, although I'll grant you there aren't many of those in multi level car parks.
Yeah, that's what I meant, though not written well :)

Either way, if the fire brigade were correct in saying it was a diesel, then it can't be even a mild hybrid Evoque as there wasn't one in that bodyshape.

It could be a RR Sport mind you :)