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[JackyJoll]

And all other war crimes, like targeting civilians.

As I said before, 2 wrongs don't make a right.

You couldn’t resist it!

You put an excuse in, for the baby choppers.

[Cousin Jack]

No. Read what I wrote, and put your Zionist bias aside.

[JackyJoll]

Was the notorious self-proclaimed adulterer Atlas, on the Visordown forum an Israeli, or am I confused?

Suppose he’s too old to be called up now, or to be at a music festival.

[Greenman]

IMO religion is the catalyst for a lot of evil but maybe is not to fully blame further down the line.

Tribalism can become rife between factions that have fought for so long but i bet you my left testy that initially it was religion that started the hatred between the 'tribes'!

Maybe this is Karma in full force, trying to bring down those who still live their lives around religion*

* - not living with religion as a faith, but working their lives around religion and making all life decisions based on their faith - like bombing each other in the name of their sky fairy!

Well, there are a few hundred on each side that have felt the full force of Karma. Unfortunately a lot of those dead and wounded will have been innocent bystanders who don't give a flying fcuk for the zealots on either side. They just wanted a quiet life.

Innocent bystanders who are just as religous as the terrorists!

I very much doubt there are a large number of people living there who are not super hardcore religous, why would they?

[Cousin Jack]

Quite a few Israelis are not fans of the Zionist hard right, many were protesting just a few weeks ago. They seem to want a civilised country, with the government held to account in the Supreme Court.

On the Palestinian side most of the poor bastards have no chance of leaving, even if they had somewhere to go and could afford the fare. They are effectively prisoners, and Israel is their jailer

[Wossname]

Unfortunately, in these situations all round the world, the ordinary population. eg in Palestine, is also prisoners of the extreme sections of their “own” side. At the least, being used as human shields, and often being forced to support them - “do this, or else”.

[irie]

“I believe very fundamentally in people’s rights to self-ID, and I believe the Gender Recognition Act strikes the wrong balance in relation to that.

“So crimes I think that are recorded should be recorded as that person wishes, who has been through that process and self-identified.

“I think trans women are women and I think trans men are men and I think they should be in the prison of their choosing.”

Labour will NEVER get my vote!!!

[Cousin Jack]

“I believe very fundamentally in people’s rights to self-ID, and I believe the Gender Recognition Act strikes the wrong balance in relation to that.

“So crimes I think that are recorded should be recorded as that person wishes, who has been through that process and self-identified.

“I think trans women are women and I think trans men are men and I think they should be in the prison of their choosing.”

I am going to self-identify as the Leader of the Labour Party.

And sack her!

[JackyJoll]

Unfortunately, in these situations all round the world, the ordinary population. eg in Palestine, is also prisoners of the extreme sections of their “own” side. At the least, being used as human shields, and often being forced to support them - “do this, or else”.

I suppose the worrying thing is we know what Israel is likely to want but we (I) don’t know how they will try to get it. Israel wants Saturday’s events (or similar) categorically precluded from happening again.

I can’t help thinking that punitive bombardment or armed assault will only suppress the Palestinians for a short time. Long-term armed occupation would be expensive and would give the “freedom fighters” handy targets.

Will they make Gaza more like a jail than it is now? Is the perimeter too long for Israel to guard?

[Yambo]

“I believe very fundamentally in people’s rights to self-ID, and I believe the Gender Recognition Act strikes the wrong balance in relation to that.

“So crimes I think that are recorded should be recorded as that person wishes, who has been through that process and self-identified.

“I think trans women are women and I think trans men are men and I think they should be in the prison of their choosing.”

Labour will NEVER get my vote!!!

What an unbelievably stupid woman. I wonder what she thinks should be done with 'Isla Bryson' (not his real name).

[irie]

“I believe very fundamentally in people’s rights to self-ID, and I believe the Gender Recognition Act strikes the wrong balance in relation to that.

“So crimes I think that are recorded should be recorded as that person wishes, who has been through that process and self-identified.

“I think trans women are women and I think trans men are men and I think they should be in the prison of their choosing.”

Labour will NEVER get my vote!!!

What an unbelievably stupid woman. I wonder what she thinks should be done with 'Isla Bryson' (not his real name).

Lib Dem is not an alternative because Ed Davey is on record as agreeing 100% with Keir Starmer that 99.99% of women do not have penises (therefore 1 in 10,000 women DO have penises).

Neither is Green an alternative because the Green Party's website says:

Trans rights

The Green Party recognises that trans men are men, trans women are women

[Count Steer]

Labour will NEVER get my vote!!!

What an unbelievably stupid woman. I wonder what she thinks should be done with 'Isla Bryson' (not his real name).

Lib Dem is not an alternative because Ed Davey is on record as agreeing 100% with Keir Starmer that 99.99% of women do not have penises (therefore 1 in 10,000 women DO have penises).

Neither is Green an alternative because the Green Party's website says:

Trans rights

The Green Party recognises that trans men are men, trans women are women

You (and others) think that gender issues are the only reason to place your vote? May I suggest a) there are quite a lot of other important issues in play at the moment and b) if it bothers you so much erm...have a word with yourself instead of gobbling up the media narrative designed to attract you to this side show.

[Mussels]

The Green party also want to redistribute the wealth, they don't care about the environment but at least it's not just a one trick pony.
The trans issue and SKS bouncing on his knees are probably all that separates Tories and Labour.
I'm not seeing these other important issues to influence my choice.

[irie]

What an unbelievably stupid woman. I wonder what she thinks should be done with 'Isla Bryson' (not his real name).

Lib Dem is not an alternative because Ed Davey is on record as agreeing 100% with Keir Starmer that 99.99% of women do not have penises (therefore 1 in 10,000 women DO have penises).

Neither is Green an alternative because the Green Party's website says:

Trans rights

The Green Party recognises that trans men are men, trans women are women

You (and others) think that gender issues are the only reason to place your vote? May I suggest a) there are quite a lot of other important issues in play at the moment and b) if it bothers you so much erm...have a word with yourself instead of gobbling up the media narrative designed to attract you to this side show.

This is not merely a "media narrative", these are political positions. Gender issues are self evidently not the only reason to place a vote, but this issue directly affects over 50% of the UK population..

What is your personal position on this issue?

[Count Steer]

Lib Dem is not an alternative because Ed Davey is on record as agreeing 100% with Keir Starmer that 99.99% of women do not have penises (therefore 1 in 10,000 women DO have penises).

Neither is Green an alternative because the Green Party's website says:

You (and others) think that gender issues are the only reason to place your vote? May I suggest a) there are quite a lot of other important issues in play at the moment and b) if it bothers you so much erm...have a word with yourself instead of gobbling up the media narrative designed to attract you to this side show.

This is not merely a "media narrative", these are political positions. Gender issues are self evidently not the only reason to place a vote, but this issue directly affects over 50% of the UK population..

What is your personal position on this issue?

That it doesn't really affect most voters very much. Not as much as the economy but it helps people to do the - Squirrel! thing instead of keeping the important stuff centre stage. Ah. Rather like you're trying to do.

[JackyJoll]

You (and others) think that gender issues are the only reason to place your vote? May I suggest a) there are quite a lot of other important issues in play at the moment and b) if it bothers you so much erm...have a word with yourself instead of gobbling up the media narrative designed to attract you to this side show.

This is not merely a "media narrative", these are political positions. Gender issues are self evidently not the only reason to place a vote, but this issue directly affects over 50% of the UK population..

What is your personal position on this issue?

That it doesn't really affect most voters very much. Not as much as the economy but it helps people to do the - Squirrel! thing instead of keeping the important stuff centre stage. Ah. Rather like you're trying to do.

It affects all women ( >50% of voters) if the Equality Act protected characteristic of sex is applied subject to an assumption than men in frocks are women.

[Count Steer]

This is not merely a "media narrative", these are political positions. Gender issues are self evidently not the only reason to place a vote, but this issue directly affects over 50% of the UK population..

What is your personal position on this issue?

That it doesn't really affect most voters very much. Not as much as the economy but it helps people to do the - Squirrel! thing instead of keeping the important stuff centre stage. Ah. Rather like you're trying to do.

It affects all women ( >50% of voters) if the Equality Act protected characteristic of sex is applied subject to an assumption than men in frocks are women.

That's enough to sway your vote and that's the only thing that matters at an election?

Oh. OK, if it affects you so much, vote with your conscience. Fine by me.

[Yambo]

You (and others) think that gender issues are the only reason to place your vote? May I suggest a) there are quite a lot of other important issues in play at the moment and b) if it bothers you so much erm...have a word with yourself instead of gobbling up the media narrative designed to attract you to this side show.

Oooo, get you!

Personally, no, I don't think that gender issues are the only reason to place my vote. However, when gender issues are brought up by Labour Front Benchers and it exposes their innate stupidity you have to wonder if that would be the best place for your vote. Can they ever develop sensible, workable, costed policies on anything?

Starmer famously bent the knee at the time of the BLM thing and exposed his unsuitability for high office. Luckily these people are in 'safe' Labour seats so will probably get elected by the people you think we are like.

I think you're old enough to be aware of Labour's record in government. It is often boiled down to 'Tax and Spend' with no though of how it is spent.

I've said a few times over the last couple of years (and about 10 days ago) that we have the worst bunch of politicians in Parliament in living memory regardless of what side of the House they sit on. Not one of them will be getting my vote at any time in the forseeable future and that's not because I live in Turkey - I have the right to vote. It's because they don't have the ability to govern the country in their present form. Tossers, the lot of 'em.

[JackyJoll]

That it doesn't really affect most voters very much. Not as much as the economy but it helps people to do the - Squirrel! thing instead of keeping the important stuff centre stage. Ah. Rather like you're trying to do.

It affects all women ( >50% of voters) if the Equality Act protected characteristic of sex is applied subject to an assumption than men in frocks are women.

That's enough to sway your vote and that's the only thing that matters at an election?

Oh. OK, if it affects you so much, vote with your conscience. Fine by me.

If they pretend that creepy perverted men are women, it casts serious doubt on their intelligence, or their honesty, or maybe even who the fuck is paying them.

[irie]

You (and others) think that gender issues are the only reason to place your vote? May I suggest a) there are quite a lot of other important issues in play at the moment and b) if it bothers you so much erm...have a word with yourself instead of gobbling up the media narrative designed to attract you to this side show.

This is not merely a "media narrative", these are political positions. Gender issues are self evidently not the only reason to place a vote, but this issue directly affects over 50% of the UK population..

What is your personal position on this issue?

That it doesn't really affect most voters very much. Not as much as the economy but it helps people to do the - Squirrel! thing instead of keeping the important stuff centre stage. Ah. Rather like you're trying to do.

What is your personal position on this issue?

In your opinion are trans-women Women, and are trans-men Men?