Cousin Jack wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 4:08 pm
I see that Israel now intends to cut off all supplies of food, medicine, etc to 2.3 million people, most of whom have no way to leave even if someone else offered them a home. Remind you of the Nazis?
2.3 million, and how many of them are Hamas 'members' or whatever they have? Probably more now. Which keeps everything going, which seems to be what the main actors want.
I keep thinking of America....'This is our land now, you can live on these 'reservations', we'll have the rest. Oh, there actually appears to be something of value on some of the little bits we 'gave' you, oil, minerals, water whatever....we'll have those bits too'.
Doubt is not a pleasant condition.
But certainty is an absurd one.
Voltaire
irie wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:01 pm
FWIW (which is probably not very much) I think Israel will annex Gaza and declare it to be an integral part of Israel.
Cousin Jack wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:22 pm
Which will result in 2.3 million 2nd class citizens in the new Israel. Or 2.3 million new voters, keen to root out the Zionist members of the knesset.
Take your pick, neither will end well.
The former of course.
"Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people." - Giordano Bruno
I've no idea how all this will pan out & I've given up hope on any kind of long lasting peace in Israel/Palestine,but I'm wary about things escalating with the Iranians.I think the Israeli's are trying to move closer to the Saudi's & the Palestinians seem to be backed by Iran as are Hizbollah in Lebanon.
There really are some loathsome regimes in that part of the world & they're scheming at the momment
Cousin Jack wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:22 pm
Which will result in 2.3 million 2nd class citizens in the new Israel. Or 2.3 million new voters, keen to root out the Zionist members of the knesset.
Cousin Jack wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 1:42 pm
I don't disagree, but I find it equally distasteful that Israel has been mistreating Palestinians as a deliberate policy for decades. The Jewish extreme right, who basically control Israel's goverment, seem to think the Holocaust, or their 'chosen people' status, justifies them in using tactics that the Nazis would be proud of.
Two wrongs do not make a right.
If I were an Israeli, I'd be questioning how the fuck gods "chosen people" ended up with the only bit of the Middle East that doesn't have oil under it...
ZRX61 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 12:05 am
If I were an Israeli, I'd be questioning how the fuck gods "chosen people" ended up with the only bit of the Middle East that doesn't have oil under it...
Google says Israel has small oil reserves. In 2016 they were producing 6,000 barrels a day.
All of the above indicates to me that religion, rather than money, is the real root of all evil.
Israel, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan/India, Ireland, the Balkans, ...... Thar's just the recent stuff. Let's not forget the Crusades, and the Spanish/Portugese conquest of South America.
And please don't tell me those were about land or power, or gold. They were about that as well, but religion was the key that unlocked the attrocities and slaughter.
It's not religion, it's stone age level tribalism. Mods and Rockers anyone? The scorn Corns have for anyone who dares not be from there. The SNP. Yorkshire, and proud of it. All torries are subhuman vermin. Sadly the list is endless, and usually passed off as banter.
Tribalism exists, but is mostly posturing. I was in one of the Mods v Rockers 'riots'. It was a non event, stirred up by the media, and then exagerated beyond belief. The 'violence' was mainly heavy handed policing shoving a load of confused teenagers to places they didn't want to go.
However add in religion to any minor dispute and everything turns very nasty very quickly.
IMO religion is the catalyst for a lot of evil but maybe is not to fully blame further down the line.
Tribalism can become rife between factions that have fought for so long but i bet you my left testy that initially it was religion that started the hatred between the 'tribes'!
Maybe this is Karma in full force, trying to bring down those who still live their lives around religion*
* - not living with religion as a faith, but working their lives around religion and making all life decisions based on their faith - like bombing each other in the name of their sky fairy!
Greenman wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 2:07 pm
IMO religion is the catalyst for a lot of evil but maybe is not to fully blame further down the line.
Tribalism can become rife between factions that have fought for so long but i bet you my left testy that initially it was religion that started the hatred between the 'tribes'!
Maybe this is Karma in full force, trying to bring down those who still live their lives around religion*
* - not living with religion as a faith, but working their lives around religion and making all life decisions based on their faith - like bombing each other in the name of their sky fairy!
Well, there are a few hundred on each side that have felt the full force of Karma. Unfortunately a lot of those dead and wounded will have been innocent bystanders who don't give a flying fcuk for the zealots on either side. They just wanted a quiet life.
ZRX61 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 7:52 pm
Biden just went off script during a speech & appears to have confirmed that Israel has nukes & has for over 50 years...
I read earlier he made a speech about drowning dogs.
