It's not a quote, I said it.Noggin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 3:56 pm The reason I unliked it is that I reread this bit -
I'm guessing you quoted it from somewhere? But, it's an incredible generalisation. Given the numbers of women in the forces (certainly pre the last few years, I really don't know the ratio, but I know it was much lower numbers of women to men for most of the time my male friends served), I would suggest that an huge number of men would not have seen any kind of bullying/discrimination. Not because they are part of it, ignoring it or whatever, but because it wasn't happening where they were.To the kind of numbers where it seems that if someone claims never to bave seen it theyre either a liar, involved in doing it or the kind of person who never looks at any information that shows the people who pay them in a bad light. Or all of the above.
There's a lot of 'pushing around' in the military (from what friends have said over the years) and this could be bullying in some ways but over all that is across the board. The sexual harassment/offences less so - but when it happens, it's bad because of the way (mostly) women feel or felt that they couldn't report it.
But to tar all serviceMEN with the same sentence as above, that's pretty shabby
(I'm sure I haven't written things exactly right, but I've tried not to piss anyone off !!!)
I just don't see how you get to the kind of numbers presented in that article without a serious amount of people (mostly just) looking the other way.
A bit like when the Catholic church was in the news every few weeks with a fresh scandal about child abuse, lthere must have been a shitload of the looking the other way (at the very least and I think I'm being quite charitable saying that) cos if there were as many binmen getting caught then nobody would let their kids outdoors every second Tuesday morning.
Yeah, the older members likely weren't really in regular working contact with women, plus the ones in Kenya were likely too busy chopping the balls off Mao Mao rebels but thats a historical abuse discussion for another day.