Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?

[Mr. Dazzle]

It’s the only practical solution.
I don’t know if many of you get out of Europe much but it’s laughable to think that the UK would have any impact on the planet even if ICE cars were banned today.

It's a pretty mixed message from UK Gov though

The 20-whenever-it-ends-up-being ban on the sale of pure ICE vehicles gets all the press, but the government also have not changed their plans on EV quotas from manufacturers. SO they're saying "you can keep selling ICE cars until 2035" but they're also saying "X% of the cars you make MUST be EVs". Said percentage steadily rises, IIRC it's something 80% by 2030. So yeah, you can buy an ICE car but the manufacturer's aren't allowed to build any.

Feels a bit like Hobson's choice at the moment Or if you're feeling cynical, a vote winning announcement of no substance.

[Potter]

Feels a bit like Hobson's choice at the moment

How fitting, Thomas Hobson leased horses and you had to take the horse he gave to you, no choice....or as it became known, Hobsons choice.

[wheelnut]

I’m pretty sure it will get kicked down further down the road in the next few years.

The elephant in the room that no one seems to be mentioning is that are there enough minerals to mine to fill the need for the batteries? Not sure how many cars are on the road worldwide but it’s got to be well over a billion.

I would bet that if there’s a study to examine the amount of rare earth metals available (let alone those available in politically stable countries) then it would probably not be enough to replace the current cars on the road with EVs. Let alone do the same again in 7 years when the batteries wear out.

Yes we will move to zero emission tech for cars, but batteries aren’t the answer.

[Mr. Dazzle]

The answer of course, is find something other than lithium. People are kinda working on it Ditto on rare earth magnets, you don't have to use rare earth magnets, they're just the low hanging fruit and hence what you see the most now.

Also assuming you only use brand new lithium. Unlike petrol lithium can be recycled.

It's another one of those "if it's obvious to a layperson how obvious do you think it is to the industry?" things. They just don't talk about it much cause press offices like to talk about what they've got to sell right now.

https://www.apcuk.co.uk/future-lithium- ... r-concern/

APC by the way is a legit government organisation, not a dodgy advocate website! They work on all parts of vehicle propulsion, including ICE.

[Horse]

An aside:

It's another one of those "if it's obvious to a layperson how obvious do you think it is to the industry?" things.

Same happens with automated vehicles, the "Ah, yes, but what about ... ?" challenges.

[Mr. Dazzle]

"Original" Teslas don't use any rare earth magnets for example, they used AC induction motors hence the name of the company. Model 3s and later do have some rare earth in them but they'd work without it, just less well.

Rare earth free motors are absolutely possible, its just harder to make them "as good" as the easy to make motors right now. Supply/demand takes over and there you go...sorta like leaded petrol and asbestos brakes. Both of those are "better" but we've got some pretty spiffy ICE vehicles without them.

Low/no rare earth and no lithium cars are 100% in 'the plan' though. At least, they are in my office

[wheelnut]

An aside:

Same happens with automated vehicles, the "Ah, yes, but what about ... ?" challenges.

…and hence a lot of manufacturers are abandoning plans for full automation.

[Horse]

An aside:

Same happens with automated vehicles, the "Ah, yes, but what about ... ?" challenges.

…and hence a lot of manufacturers are abandoning plans for full automation.

Totally off topic now so briefly: on-road isn't the main focus of AV development. There are many places where AVs are operating successfully. Markets such as quarrying / mining and agriculture are big investors. I've put plenty of examples in the AV thread in Staying Alive:
http://revtothelimit.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=6096

[wheelnut]

Totally off topic now so briefly: on-road isn't the main focus of AV development.

I know, that’s exactly my point.

[Horse]

Totally off topic now so briefly: on-road isn't the main focus of AV development.

I know, that’s exactly my point.

The emphasis hasn't transferred onto off-road, development has been going on there for ages, ahead of on-road. For example, agriculture has had GPS integration for accurative control of vehicles.

[Dodgy69]

I think so...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_R ... eneration)

[Mr. Dazzle]

It's getting daft now

You're at the point where tyres are the limiting factor. That Tesla will probably be lighting its wheels up all the way to 200mph. That's not even an exaggeration!

[Yambo]

The emphasis hasn't transferred onto off-road, development has been going on there for ages, ahead of on-road. For example, agriculture has had GPS integration for accurative control of vehicles.

I know I'm thick an' all but is accurative one of those new words we're all supposed to know what it is/means as soon as they're used?

What's wrong with accurate? Is accurative different to accurate?

[Horse]

The emphasis hasn't transferred onto off-road, development has been going on there for ages, ahead of on-road. For example, agriculture has had GPS integration for accurative control of vehicles.

I know I'm thick an' all but is accurative one of those new words we're all supposed to know what it is/means as soon as they're used?

What's wrong with accurate? Is accurative different to accurate?

Serious answer is that it's a side effect of already suffering from nystagmus, then having covid which is worsening the problem, and then trying to editivate the text before postificationating it.

[Pirahna]

The emphasis hasn't transferred onto off-road, development has been going on there for ages, ahead of on-road. For example, agriculture has had GPS integration for accurative control of vehicles.

I know I'm thick an' all but is accurative one of those new words we're all supposed to know what it is/means as soon as they're used?

What's wrong with accurate? Is accurative different to accurate?

Serious answer is that it's a side effect of already suffering from nystagmus, then having covid which is worsening the problem, and then trying to editivate the text before postificationating it.

[Yambo]

Serious answer is that it's a side effect of already suffering from nystagmus, then having covid which is worsening the problem, and then trying to editivate the text before postificationating it.

Ah got you. Geçmiş olsun!

[Horse]

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[Mr. Dazzle]

You need that big throbbing set of pistons to give you more than a semi after all.

[Felix]

Wonder if one caught fire at Luton Airport?

[Slenver]

Wonder if one caught fire at Luton Airport?

A diesel car apparently. Which is no great surprise seeing as petrol cars are 60x more likely to catch fire then EVs, supposedly.