People dynamics

[Screwdriver]

I will of course aim for just inside.

There was a ton of thought provoking content in that thread in a very difficult subject and to delete it just because of one moron can't be a good thing for any forum.

1. Why ? why aim for anything that's just inside the rules ? Why not try to be nice, functioning, appropriate ? Do you not see THIS is exactly why we have issues... Jeeez.

2. You were the moron. Don't you see that you were the problem with your lack of compassion, understanding and complete inability to see anything other than 'Screwdriver is right'

There was a lot of thought provoking stuff, but that doesn't mean the thread should have stayed.

Because (you will be unsurprised to discover) my full understanding of a subject might be a mile wide of the mainstream narrative which appears to be the "goal" we are supposed to aim at.

If that is your definition of a "moron" then yes ok, I guess you're allowed to break your own rules by namecalling an individual directly (I haven't named anyone). But what I was saying is that the subject matter is "Russell Brand" and not "rape" (and specifically not a comment regarding any personal stories being shared in that thread). In order to form an opinion on that precise scenario, one needs to be dispassionate. If you allow "passion" into the consideration as to whether or not an actual crime has been committed, my opinion is that the law is not being applied.

If that is wrong then I am wrong but the thrust of my argument if you like, is that this is exactly why "trial by media" is such a dangerous phenomena. It relies entirely on knee jerk "compassionate" responses to the subject matter and not the dispassionate, logical analysis of the facts of the case.

[weeksy]

I guess you're allowed to break your own rules by namecalling an individual directly

Of course, that's kinda the point of inter-acting with the owner/mod/admin... I can say/act slightly differently... it's the one benefit i have for having to put up with some of the shit in this place.

[Wossname]

I think I missed all the action so I don't know exactly who was being "bullied", I assume however it was me.

It wasn't.

[DefTrap]

I'm not sure why almost everything has to be contentious on here. Make your point and move on. The interminable "I didn't say that" and "what do you mean by that?" are excruciating. And, to finish, just lighten up - Ukraine, covid vaccines, Biden etc won't be resolved on here ffs.

[weeksy]

it’s a big subject at the moment.

Is that really the case though or are 2 things in play.

1. Social media and the 'reach' of someone has grown massively, 30 years ago you could only 'meet' people you stood near. Now you can 'meet' anyone on the planet
2. People in society are a hell of a lot more Snowflake than once upon a time. Can you imagine this society if WW2 were happening now... it'd be a whitewash for the Germans

[v8-powered]

Just had a drama this morning on a Team chat with a group of Engineers - cue one guy throwing toys out of the pram and leaving the chat over a disagreement on regression testing of software!
All it takes is 1 person to take exception to a comment and all of a sudden it's a big issue - bullying, victimisation, harassment or what ever you want to call it. Now having to play the peacekeeper to keep the wheels rolling.....

[MrLongbeard]

It’s easier to bully online, so perhaps that’s why it’s more prevalent?

And it's 100% easier to deal with online than IRL be it school, work or down the pub.

[weeksy]

And it's 100% easier to deal with online than IRL be it school, work or down the pub.

This is one of the aspects that I wanted to get at, I think it’s worse.

I’m one of those blokes that will come knocking on your door to have the fight if I think you’re out to get me, even if I know I’ll lose. It’s not because I’m hard or anything but it’s because I get anxiety and I can’t stand the build up to the fight, I just want it over.

So if you threaten me online, then I’ll probably have a horrible time inside my own head until it’s resolved. I’d prefer the beating rather than the hours of anxiety before it.

So, if I’m a kid and some of my classmates ganged up online and threaten to beat me up, then the anxiety for me would be way worse than the beating.

I don’t think I’m unusual in this. Lots of people worry themselves sick when even the worst case outcome isn’t going to hurt them that badly.

'internet ' > disable

[MrLongbeard]

So, if I’m a kid and some of my classmates ganged up online

Walk away, turn off the devices, delete the accounts / apps, not one single person in the world 'needs' any of them.

[weeksy]

Oh if it’s entirely online yes, just turn off, although doxing is also real.

But I’m talking about bullying in schools via online platforms. These are people that you will see tomorrow after you’ve been up all night worrying about the threatening confrontation.

Of course, but that's how it's always been. I'd bet >50% of people on here were bullied and scared to go to school for years.

[Screwdriver]

I'm not sure why almost everything has to be contentious on here. Make your point and move on. The interminable "I didn't say that" and "what do you mean by that?" are excruciating. And, to finish, just lighten up - Ukraine, covid vaccines, Biden etc won't be resolved on here ffs.

That is a very interesting reaction. Excruciating.

So let me just pick a topic at random, say somebody refers to someone as "...a well known conspiracy theorist" or someone writes a post on the topic of governmental corruption, corporate greed etc.

On the one hand I think it is entirely reasonable to ask what "conspiracies" are they supporting since the term "conspiracy" has been bastardised to become a de facto insult. On top of that, having dismissed an entire expose on the grounds that "it's just a conspiracy theory" the poster assumes the matter is settled and they do not need to explain how or why any of the subject they so casually dismiss is unquestionably wrong in their opinion. Plus of course, whoever is suggesting this "conspiracy" is obviously a nutjob.

Nine times out of ten, the simple riposte "oh, a conspiracy theorist hey. Ok name ONE of their observations you suggest is obvious nonsense" and the person aggressively denouncing your post is suddenly all "oh I can't be bothered" or "it's ALL bollocks". Nine times out of ten is probably not even close. More like 99/100.

We see this with Br*xit, Climate Change, Biden mafia, C*vid, big pharma, you name it. Stray outside the commonly accepted media narrative and you're a conspiracy theorist. Job done, topic closed.

They do this (imho) because the truth sometimes can be difficult to accept and they would rather not even have to think about it.

People generally do not like to have their cozy world view shattered. It can be "excruciating" to have to accept that say, big pharma will release a dangerous untested drug into the world for the sake of personal enrichment. A shady cabal of developers might hatch a plot to burn out the residents of an entire state to get their hands on prime real estate. The "war" in Ukraine might actually be a money making exercise for the already overwhelmingly wealthy. CBDC might be part of a larger plan to put complete control of the entire capitalist system into the hands of the global elites right down to the level of the individual.

It is overwhelmingly painful to sit here and watch them do it when the response to such observations is "meh, conspiracy theory". Surely you can see how frustrating that is viewed from the other side. Frustrating for me because something I see that I believe to be really obvious (and worrying) might actually be wrong and I just need to be put right.

I played a game many years ago called "the fridge toaster game". I was presenting new technology to a group of BBC execs and Bluetooth had just been invented. I put a ton of words into a hat. Common household items and new technology. Firidge, toaster, Bluetooth, internet, TV etc. The audience were invited to draw two items and productise them. What can you do with a fridge connected via Bluetooth, DV camcorder+internet. All of those technologies (including the rise of the internet!) were new then and the combinations + permutations were extraordinary. You really had to sit and think about the implications of these interconnected things, not the individual item.

So CBDC is not necessarily bad but what about CBDC + A.I. or deep corruption (aka the swamp) in the USA + war in Ukraine, the power grab from WHO + C*vid. When you combine those phenomena, red flags should appear. I tend to make those connection and am constantly being told off for 1. going off topic and/or 2. going on about it. But I suggest these things are fundamentally connected. They open up avenues for exploitation by the rich/powerful/government to introduce more and more restrictions on the individual.

No we are not going to "cure" the problem but if people could just resist the "meh conspiracy bollocks it's all wrong" then at the very least you could put my mind to rest. I may be a moron but surely that means anyone should easily be able to shown me where I am going wrong...

[Horse]

They do this (imho) because the truth sometimes can be difficult to accept and they would rather not even have to think about it.

People generally do not like to have their cozy world view shattered. It can be "excruciating" to have to accept that ...

And there you might have encapsulated why people 'kick' back.

The conspiracies may be true. But. Having upset someone's cozy world, 'shattered it', what should they do about it?

[mangocrazy]

Why start a thread that is intentionally provocative and has the assumption that it will be shut down? Wouldn't it be better to start a thread that is non-confrontational?

They really are not meant to be. I was worried that the build up of Russian forces around Ukraine was a sign of impending invasion. That was months before they did. I recall all of the "battles" with the majority view that I was talking bollocks. Elon Musk was (and is) a world changing character, my post on him prior to the Twitter purchase got the same treatment.

It is with some satisfaction I note the "Biden mafia" is years later, finally being outed by the mainstream and we can put another "conspiracy theory" to bed.

If this was mumsnet then yes, we could discuss knitting. If I can get my act together, I can start posting picture heavy bike rebuilds (they are ALL still sitting in the shed where I left them). Meanwhile I have been battling with a serious illness and a recalcitrant NHS so my activities are somewhat limited. There is light at the end of that tunnel.

I was directing that comment at Potter as the thread starter. I'm not at all sure why you would think it was directed at you. It very definitely wasn't.

[mangocrazy]

They do this (imho) because the truth sometimes can be difficult to accept and they would rather not even have to think about it.

People generally do not like to have their cozy world view shattered. It can be "excruciating" to have to accept that ...

And there you might have encapsulated why people 'kick' back.

The conspiracies may be true. But. Having upset someone's cozy world, 'shattered it', what should they do about it?

They may of course just think you're talking out of your arse and say so...

[Noggin]

They do this (imho) because the truth sometimes can be difficult to accept and they would rather not even have to think about it.

People generally do not like to have their cozy world view shattered. It can be "excruciating" to have to accept that ...

And there you might have encapsulated why people 'kick' back.

The conspiracies may be true. But. Having upset someone's cozy world, 'shattered it', what should they do about it?

Also, this isn't a political platform, a school or any such environment to 'educate' people. This is a place for friends to meet and chat bollox, be silly, and laugh.

Someone intent on educating his fellow man is always going to get kick back.

For me there is one seriously contentious topic for the last few years. It has had a massive effect on a LOT of people I know. However, I'll make the odd comment but I won't labour the point. Why should I bang on about it. People here don't want to hear it.

This is somewhere to kick back, chat motos, and take the piss out of mates.

I suspect that is why the "I'm gonna educate you whether you want to be or not" will often get some bad responses. More so when it's a case of - listen harder so you understand!!

[MrLongbeard]

Oh if it’s entirely online yes, just turn off, although doxing is also real.

But I’m talking about bullying in schools via online platforms. These are people that you will see tomorrow after you’ve been up all night worrying about the threatening confrontation.

Mayhaps, but it's always been the way, I was physically bullied for a couple of weeks in high school by one jack me lad, was stabbed once by another, although to be fair I guess he forgot he had the scissors in his hand when he raised it to try and stop me punching him.

Back then once they knew you wouldn't take it lying down they moved on to someone else, nowadays, I dunno, you'd thing there were enough processes in place to prevent / deter / punish, or have we as a society gone too soft and have to consider the bully too and their reasons for being a dick.

I'm too big, old and ugly to be bullied now, that and I really don't give a flying fig what a bunch of rando pixels on a screen think about me, if I did I'd walk away.

TL:DR, IMO it's no worse or better than it'd in the past, part of the bullying mechanism has changed, but that's easily circumvented, the same with all bad things in this world is that it's reported more often via 24/7 'new's and social media.

[mangocrazy]

No we are not going to "cure" the problem but if people could just resist the "meh conspiracy bollocks it's all wrong" then at the very least you could put my mind to rest. I may be a moron but surely that means anyone should easily be able to shown me where I am going wrong...

You need to understand that what is vitally important to you can be of less than no importance to someone else, and that they are going to get narked if you keep shoving said topic in their face. People have an absolute right to say "meh conspiracy bollocks it's all wrong" and you are being borderline delusional if you think you can stop that response.

We're all different, mate. Accept that.

[weeksy]

Why more of you don't use the ignore function i'll never understand

[Yorick]

They do this (imho) because the truth sometimes can be difficult to accept and they would rather not even have to think about it.

People generally do not like to have their cozy world view shattered. It can be "excruciating" to have to accept that ...

And there you might have encapsulated why people 'kick' back.

The conspiracies may be true. But. Having upset someone's cozy world, 'shattered it', what should they do about it?

Also, this isn't a political platform, a school or any such environment to 'educate' people. This is a place for friends to meet and chat bollox, be silly, and laugh.

Someone intent on educating his fellow man is always going to get kick back.

For me there is one seriously contentious topic for the last few years. It has had a massive effect on a LOT of people I know. However, I'll make the odd comment but I won't labour the point. Why should I bang on about it. People here don't want to hear it.

This is somewhere to kick back, chat motos, and take the piss out of mates.

I suspect that is why the "I'm gonna educate you whether you want to be or not" will often get some bad responses. More so when it's a case of - listen harder so you understand!!

100% true. We don't want anyone ramming "the truth" down our throats. !

[cheb]

And there you might have encapsulated why people 'kick' back.

The conspiracies may be true. But. Having upset someone's cozy world, 'shattered it', what should they do about it?

Also, this isn't a political platform, a school or any such environment to 'educate' people. This is a place for friends to meet and chat bollox, be silly, and laugh.

Someone intent on educating his fellow man is always going to get kick back.

For me there is one seriously contentious topic for the last few years. It has had a massive effect on a LOT of people I know. However, I'll make the odd comment but I won't labour the point. Why should I bang on about it. People here don't want to hear it.

This is somewhere to kick back, chat motos, and take the piss out of mates.

I suspect that is why the "I'm gonna educate you whether you want to be or not" will often get some bad responses. More so when it's a case of - listen harder so you understand!!

100% true. We don't want anyone ramming "the truth" down our throats. !

What makes so sure you speak for all of us, as implied by your 'We'? Have you asked us all individually?

Or is that your version of 'the truth' you don't want rammed down anyone's throat.

You obviously don't like Screwdriver's posts. Put him on ignore and move on. I like most of what Screwdriver posts, it's one of the reasons I stay here.