Covid - newsworthy

[DefTrap]

Also: may contain nuts.

[Count Steer]

Oh great, graphene oxide in the vaccines...That's not good.

https://principia-scientific.com/fda-co ... -vaccines/

Another reliable, unbiased, scientifically based source with a credible sounding name eh?

Principia Scientific International (PSI) is an organization based in the United Kingdom which promotes fringe views and material to claim that carbon dioxide is not a greenhouse gas.

[Cousin Jack]

Oh great, graphene oxide in the vaccines...That's not good.

https://principia-scientific.com/fda-co ... -vaccines/

Bit like cooking innit. If you read the list of ingredients and don't eat dishes that contain something you don't like you will have a bland and boring diet.

[Pirahna]

Is there COVID vaccine in chemtrails?

[Mr. Dazzle]

Oh great, graphene oxide in the vaccines...That's not good.

https://principia-scientific.com/fda-co ... -vaccines/

Bit like cooking innit. If you read the list of ingredients and don't eat dishes that contain something you don't like you will have a bland and boring diet.

I cook with large amounts of chemical weapons and metals which explode on contact with water!

Honestly a bit disappointed Pfizer haven't made more of this. If it contains graphene it must be high tech, if it contains quantum graphene it's basically the future.

That website is proper confused BTW "used in the manufacturing process"...."contains"...they ain't the same thing are they?

[Cousin Jack]

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I cook with large amounts of chemical weapons and metals which explode on contact with water!

Great! Post up the video next time you cook.

[Count Steer]

That website is proper confused BTW "used in the manufacturing process"...."contains"...they ain't the same thing are they?

Bit of a non-story really, they'll never make it stick.

[JamJar]

FFS another interesting thread fucked up!

[DefTrap]

The problem I have with all of this nonsensical half-baked vaccine conjecture, is that in the very unlikely eventuality that something important is found in all that masses of data, it stands a very good chance of being dismissed because of all the terrible bullshit that preceded it.

[cheb]

And quite of the opposite of the norm, the usual being several paragraphs of info and views dismissed as 'shite' with no other comment.

[DefTrap]

Yeah I think you would see it differently if this was the industry you worked in and the constant barrage of awful nonsensical "info and views", happily bandied about as the truth, demanded an academic rebuttal every time. I tried sensible answers (see this very same thread earlier in the year) but some clowns still insist they know better. But they're probably doing it 'for a laugh', so anyway ....

[DefTrap]

Your answers read very much as "Trust us, we know what we're doing" and whilst I'm not connected in any way (or trained) in medicine, it doesn't take much to dig out some spectacular cases of large scale nightmares that were signed off by the very people you're asking us to trust.

So whilst I'm about 90% sure that most of what gets thrown out there is plain old cobblers, I'm also wise enough to know that some of it isn't.
Knowing the difference isn't easy, but you'd be a fool to keep blindly sucking on the kool-aid and dismissing any dissent on any subject as malicious conspiracy.

I just don't have the time or inclination to deal with such bollocks. I do this as an actual job, and most of what is written on here is no better that copy and paste hysterics from facebook, the DailyMail or my own in-laws. If someone came to me with something like this at work, they'd just get the raised eyebrow, and if they persisted they'd be earmarked for the sack. Frankly I'm tired of having to explain the bleeding obvious.

And you're doing it again "blindly sucking on the kool-aid". It's insulting, I make no apologies for thinking you're being a bit of a cock about it tbh.

[DefTrap]

I don't think you understand what I'm actually saying.

Is it possible that pharmaceutical companies can mess up and put medicines out there that could end up harming people?
I think it's a simple yes or no.

Yes, and I said as much directly to you on this very thread.

Of course it's -possible- that they mess up, but you'll struggle to find a more regulated industry, so carelessness and malevolence, let alone bad science, is pretty rare. These COVID vaccines are amongst the most scrutinised ever, fact gathering continues post release, as I said.

But in this recent 'revelation' about graphene that sparked this new set of what-if? nonsense, it's a big fat obvious no to anyone with even half a brain. There are literally millions of prescribed drugs and vaccines out there that have been through the same process for medical trials. Have they had the same level of scrutiny from the public and a bunch of suddenly very interested have-a-go-YouTube-quacks? Nope. I wonder why that is. It's great to have an open mind about these things but there's some very muddled thinking around malevolence & incompetence when it comes to medical trials. And equally laymen have a really hard time understanding the science and are easily walked to the wrong conclusion by malevolent idiots.

My own S-I-L will happily tell me all the reasons that she won't be getting covid vaccinated (varied but ultimately "she has her opinion and would I shut up now") but is fine with popping all sorts of other prescription meds where she's strangely not so bothered about risk let alone efficacy. Hilariously, she's good with taking unlabelled (well, they are labelled if she could read chinese) cleansing remedies that she got from a "wise chinese lady up the town" that make her shit her pants in the night.

[ZRX61]

Oh great, graphene oxide in the vaccines...That's not good.

https://principia-scientific.com/fda-co ... -vaccines/

Another reliable, unbiased, scientifically based source with a credible sounding name eh?

Principia Scientific International (PSI) is an organization based in the United Kingdom which promotes fringe views and material to claim that carbon dioxide is not a greenhouse gas.

You realize they merely posted the documents released by Pfizer?

[Count Steer]

Oh great, graphene oxide in the vaccines...That's not good.

https://principia-scientific.com/fda-co ... -vaccines/

Another reliable, unbiased, scientifically based source with a credible sounding name eh?

Principia Scientific International (PSI) is an organization based in the United Kingdom which promotes fringe views and material to claim that carbon dioxide is not a greenhouse gas.

You realize they merely posted the documents released by Pfizer?

No they don't. They selectively quote part of a document about testing then spin that up to state (in the headline) that it's in the actual vaccine. It's complete and utter bollocks - from a pseudo-scientific site that specialises in it.

[Horse]

I don't think you understand what I'm actually saying.

Is it possible that pharmaceutical companies can mess up and put medicines out there that could end up harming people?
I think it's a simple yes or no.

And, I think, he's saying that they put a huge amount of effort into trying to stop that from happening.

It isn't a simple yes/no, is it? Are you asking about everyone being harmed, or small percentage, or a minute percentage? Very different circumstances.

[DefTrap]

So if something gets posted about a subject I don't know much about I won't immediately call the poster a paranoid nutcase, because for all I know he might be onto something. As it turns out the only decent reply came from Horse, everyone else just jumped on a bandwagon and AFAIK you're the only (self-confessed) medical expert on here, so everyone else could have been talking as much bollocks as each other.

My bad, I didn't think the analysis of this graphene revelation, let alone all the other Covid / vaccine 'studies' and opinion, generally requires that much thought before quickly putting it into the 'definitely bollocks' bucket. Maybe a good comparison is how you feel about the man-on-the-street view of their own pensions? - ISTR you were rather sarcastic about that, but maybe I got the wrong end of the stick.
I don't want to fall out with anybody and I'm going to try (and probably fail tbh) to stay out of these covid vaccine discussions because I find the disproportionate focus on them totally maddening and the unqualified opinion on related medical trials practices frustrating and personally a bit insulting.

[Mr. Dazzle]

I did actually read the whole linked article, but I came to the conclusion it had more than a whiff of bollox quite early in the process

If anything it made more impressed with the whole tech.

[Count Steer]

So if something gets posted about a subject I don't know much about I won't immediately call the poster a paranoid nutcase, because for all I know he might be onto something. As it turns out the only decent reply came from Horse, everyone else just jumped on a bandwagon and AFAIK you're the only (self-confessed) medical expert on here, so everyone else could have been talking as much bollocks as each other.

My bad, I didn't think the analysis of this graphene revelation, let alone all the other Covid / vaccine 'studies' and opinion, generally requires that much thought before quickly putting it into the 'definitely bollocks' bucket.

So if I post up -

Fosters lager gives you genital warts.....

www.climate-changedishcloth.com

You wouldn't go off and do deep research to see if it was true? I'm shocked. Truly shocked.

[Mr. Dazzle]

If we're gonna set some bar (approved by Iccy, obvs) before we can call something bollox surely it's only fair that we have to set it right at the start of the process anyway SO, you know, single sentence posts with a blind link warrant a certain level of consideration...etc.

I think it's Deftrap himself who's commented many times before on the fact we now have to give all viewpoints equal credence.