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Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2023 10:59 am I wonder why the bloke with the double engined RGV didn't use pre mix for lubrication, it'd be a lot easier and every race two stroke uses premix
I was thinking the same but assumed there must be something I don’t know going on with it?
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If you make the mistake of going on any two stroke forums or (worse still) Facebook groups, they're are quite a lot of vociferous people who will tell you how an oil pump is massively better than premix, you can point out as many times as you like that MX bikes and GP bikes use premix and they will retort with some closed throttle theory
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Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2023 1:52 pm If you make the mistake of going on any two stroke forums or (worse still) Facebook groups, they're are quite a lot of vociferous people who will tell you how an oil pump is massively better than premix, you can point out as many times as you like that MX bikes and GP bikes use premix and they will retort with some closed throttle theory
On race bikes I'd always go premix. But very happy with the oil pump on the GasGas :)
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Yorick wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2023 1:54 pm

On race bikes I'd always go premix. But very happy with the oil pump on the GasGas :)
That's because it's a touring bike :D
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Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2023 2:05 pm
Yorick wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2023 1:54 pm

On race bikes I'd always go premix. But very happy with the oil pump on the GasGas :)
That's because it's a touring bike :D
It is in comparison to MX bike.
But rumours are that the KTM enduro bike will be premix in 2024.
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I have never seized a two stroke that used premix.

Oil pumps are more reliable than ever, but they are still a potential for failure.

Sad that the only two stroke I own now is my petrol strimmer (but that does run premix).
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Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2023 3:03 pm https://ridermagazine.com/2023/06/28/su ... 24-lineup/

Yanks get the Suzukis I like
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Yorick wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2023 1:54 pm
Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2023 1:52 pm If you make the mistake of going on any two stroke forums or (worse still) Facebook groups, they're are quite a lot of vociferous people who will tell you how an oil pump is massively better than premix, you can point out as many times as you like that MX bikes and GP bikes use premix and they will retort with some closed throttle theory
On race bikes I'd always go premix. But very happy with the oil pump on the GasGas :)
Agree that the oil pump on the post-2018 KTM/Husky/GasGas smokers is undoubtedly a good system - it's ECU controlled and very good at what it does, evidenced by how well and clean they run, and how oil-efficient it makes them- I've calculated it on my TE300i to be approx 1500 miles per litre so far which I find quite astonishing as if I ran 40:1 premix and got the same MPG then it would work to be ~450 miles/litre, i.e. I'd use more than 3 x as much oil running 40:1, as it does using the pump :o

Having said that, I would use pre-mix on race - the pump is just a tiny little electrical thing, that looks like what you'd have on a small fish tank, and I dunno why but I feel slightly less comfortable with that than if it were a mechanical one, despite it's efficiency, but it is considered to be a service item by KTM with a given service life of 80hrs, and something I will actually replace rather than "sweat the value " on- just in case, like ;)
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Tricky wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2023 3:51 pm Agree that the oil pump on the post-2018 KTM/Husky/GasGas smokers is undoubtedly a good system - it's ECU controlled and very good at what it does, evidenced by how well and clean they run, and how oil-efficient it makes them- I've calculated it on my TE300i to be approx 1500 miles per litre so far which I find quite astonishing as if I ran 40:1 premix and got the same MPG then it would work to be ~450 miles/litre, i.e. I'd use more than 3 x as much oil running 40:1, as it does using the pump :o
We had some horrible DT50s at the school in Kent for doing sixteener CBTs on, and the boss got a special deal on a drum of two stroke. It might have been cheap but when we started to use it the bikes smoked horribly out on the road, after spending a morning at walking pace in the training yard. As they got up to speed and heated the exhaust properly, it was like a smoke screen for a few minutes. In the course of the two hour road ride, I'd have a splitting headache from the fumes after an hour of following one of them.

I turned the oil pump down to the minimum setting. Huge improvement in breathing behind them!

After a couple of months, Dave the senior instructor commented "that new oil's really good stuff - we've hardly used any"

Amazingly, the bikes were still running perfectly a couple of years later when I left.
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Wouldn't mind this parked in my garage :)

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Just saw this on another forum. Never liked the black ones when I had one.
Buy this one looks well :)
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Yorick wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 5:53 pm Just saw this on another forum. Never liked the black ones when I had one.
Buy this one looks well :)

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David wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 7:20 pm
Yorick wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 5:53 pm Just saw this on another forum. Never liked the black ones when I had one.
Buy this one looks well :)

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Yorick wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 7:22 pm
David wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 7:20 pm
Yorick wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 5:53 pm Just saw this on another forum. Never liked the black ones when I had one.
Buy this one looks well :)

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