I was thinking the same but assumed there must be something I don’t know going on with it?Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 10:59 am I wonder why the bloke with the double engined RGV didn't use pre mix for lubrication, it'd be a lot easier and every race two stroke uses premix
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If you make the mistake of going on any two stroke forums or (worse still) Facebook groups, they're are quite a lot of vociferous people who will tell you how an oil pump is massively better than premix, you can point out as many times as you like that MX bikes and GP bikes use premix and they will retort with some closed throttle theory
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On race bikes I'd always go premix. But very happy with the oil pump on the GasGasLe_Fromage_Grande wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 1:52 pm If you make the mistake of going on any two stroke forums or (worse still) Facebook groups, they're are quite a lot of vociferous people who will tell you how an oil pump is massively better than premix, you can point out as many times as you like that MX bikes and GP bikes use premix and they will retort with some closed throttle theory
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It is in comparison to MX bike.
But rumours are that the KTM enduro bike will be premix in 2024.
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I have never seized a two stroke that used premix.
Oil pumps are more reliable than ever, but they are still a potential for failure.
Sad that the only two stroke I own now is my petrol strimmer (but that does run premix).
Oil pumps are more reliable than ever, but they are still a potential for failure.
Sad that the only two stroke I own now is my petrol strimmer (but that does run premix).
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£13,000 is good price.Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 3:03 pm https://ridermagazine.com/2023/06/28/su ... 24-lineup/
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Agree that the oil pump on the post-2018 KTM/Husky/GasGas smokers is undoubtedly a good system - it's ECU controlled and very good at what it does, evidenced by how well and clean they run, and how oil-efficient it makes them- I've calculated it on my TE300i to be approx 1500 miles per litre so far which I find quite astonishing as if I ran 40:1 premix and got the same MPG then it would work to be ~450 miles/litre, i.e. I'd use more than 3 x as much oil running 40:1, as it does using the pumpYorick wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 1:54 pmOn race bikes I'd always go premix. But very happy with the oil pump on the GasGasLe_Fromage_Grande wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 1:52 pm If you make the mistake of going on any two stroke forums or (worse still) Facebook groups, they're are quite a lot of vociferous people who will tell you how an oil pump is massively better than premix, you can point out as many times as you like that MX bikes and GP bikes use premix and they will retort with some closed throttle theory
Having said that, I would use pre-mix on race - the pump is just a tiny little electrical thing, that looks like what you'd have on a small fish tank, and I dunno why but I feel slightly less comfortable with that than if it were a mechanical one, despite it's efficiency, but it is considered to be a service item by KTM with a given service life of 80hrs, and something I will actually replace rather than "sweat the value " on- just in case, like
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We had some horrible DT50s at the school in Kent for doing sixteener CBTs on, and the boss got a special deal on a drum of two stroke. It might have been cheap but when we started to use it the bikes smoked horribly out on the road, after spending a morning at walking pace in the training yard. As they got up to speed and heated the exhaust properly, it was like a smoke screen for a few minutes. In the course of the two hour road ride, I'd have a splitting headache from the fumes after an hour of following one of them.Tricky wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 3:51 pm Agree that the oil pump on the post-2018 KTM/Husky/GasGas smokers is undoubtedly a good system - it's ECU controlled and very good at what it does, evidenced by how well and clean they run, and how oil-efficient it makes them- I've calculated it on my TE300i to be approx 1500 miles per litre so far which I find quite astonishing as if I ran 40:1 premix and got the same MPG then it would work to be ~450 miles/litre, i.e. I'd use more than 3 x as much oil running 40:1, as it does using the pump
I turned the oil pump down to the minimum setting. Huge improvement in breathing behind them!
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Just saw this on another forum. Never liked the black ones when I had one.
Buy this one looks well
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