Any London members taking up Khan's scrappage offer?
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Re: Any London members taking up Khan's scrappage offer?
Khan is worried about the poor little kiddies and old people*.
Not so much that for just £12.50 a day you can poison the fuck.out of them, mind.
* He's more worried, me thinks, about the hole in TFL's finances, post-covid.
Not so much that for just £12.50 a day you can poison the fuck.out of them, mind.
* He's more worried, me thinks, about the hole in TFL's finances, post-covid.
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Re: Any London members taking up Khan's scrappage offer?
Innit Gremmies, if it were anything to do with emissions, you'd not be able to take any vehicle in there at all. Instead, as you point out, we can carry on, just pay him £12.50 per day to do so.
Can you imagine as a company, you're not allowed to pour effluent into the river, ok well actually if you pay us to.......
Khan has lied about ULEZ, the emissions and air quality. Even other scientists have said none of it makes any sense at all. Khan has mislead the London Assembly and manipulated data. He is a grifter, Authoritarian hate preacher who already branded those who disagree with him as "anti-vaxxers" and "far right" - this is authoritarian extremism. If people accept this, guess where we'll be in 10 years time?
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Re: Any London members taking up Khan's scrappage offer?
ULEZ was a Tory policy, he's just expanded it to catch the poorer people as well
Re: Any London members taking up Khan's scrappage offer?
Indeed it was, but many would say that since the idea was created, that air quality has improved and cars have got a lot cleaner. In reality, ULEZ as we see it now, is very far removed from the Conservative's initial idea, since evolution made things cleaner anyway - Khan has lied and manipulated data simply to introduce a tax and as you identify, it hits the poorest the hardest.
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Re: Any London members taking up Khan's scrappage offer?
anyone got a motorbike re certified as ulez compliant? apparently private dyno operators are offering the service for 175 quid
id like to know how that works.
assumptions
1, its nox
2, the dyno operator has to drive it manually within a drive cycle
3, somehow, they measure grammes of nox for the cycle
so many questions.
do they have a proper analyser and span gasses? im assuming not as it would cost more than the dyno and take a long time to pay back at 175 quid a test. so automotive spec aftertreatment nox sensors? stuffed up the exhaust? what if its twin pipe one per cylinder? how are they calibrated?
can you use an inertia dyno, or do you need eddycurrent and apply a constant load. what load is it? what about the inertia in the drum then? they are all different. allow for that?
presumably the operator has to try and keep it within a band whilst the test is going on. whose software is it? presumably not dynapro or dynojet?
is it the same cycle regardless of size of bike?
how much error leeway is there in the cycle?
if adjustments are allowed, all you have is timing and fuel, so timing then?
that will do for now
id like to know how that works.
assumptions
1, its nox
2, the dyno operator has to drive it manually within a drive cycle
3, somehow, they measure grammes of nox for the cycle
so many questions.
do they have a proper analyser and span gasses? im assuming not as it would cost more than the dyno and take a long time to pay back at 175 quid a test. so automotive spec aftertreatment nox sensors? stuffed up the exhaust? what if its twin pipe one per cylinder? how are they calibrated?
can you use an inertia dyno, or do you need eddycurrent and apply a constant load. what load is it? what about the inertia in the drum then? they are all different. allow for that?
presumably the operator has to try and keep it within a band whilst the test is going on. whose software is it? presumably not dynapro or dynojet?
is it the same cycle regardless of size of bike?
how much error leeway is there in the cycle?
if adjustments are allowed, all you have is timing and fuel, so timing then?
that will do for now
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Re: Any London members taking up Khan's scrappage offer?
Believe that a lot of people are getting it for free or as near as. You can request the CofC for your bike from the manufacturer and as long as the NOX levels are below the limit, you can submit to TfL and they grant you exemption.porter_jamie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 10:13 am anyone got a motorbike re certified as ulez compliant? apparently private dyno operators are offering the service for 175 quid
id like to know how that works.
I'm going to do this with the BMW I've purchased as it's not ULEZ compliant but is below the NOX limit.
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Re: Any London members taking up Khan's scrappage offer?
Didn't someone on here get their old Fireblade exempteded?
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Re: Any London members taking up Khan's scrappage offer?
I had to get a certificate for my old Fazer which is well inside the Nox limit but produced before the need to tell anyone.
Yamaha charged me £80 for a printed sheet of paper I could find on Google. They also charge every single other Fazer owner the same because you need to certify each instance of a vehicle, not the vehicle type.
Khan is such a slimy lying worm, I can’t believe he’s still in office let alone Mayor.
Thankfully we will almost certainly end up with Boris again which is probably a level of office which actually fits him very well. He was a great Mayor…
Yamaha charged me £80 for a printed sheet of paper I could find on Google. They also charge every single other Fazer owner the same because you need to certify each instance of a vehicle, not the vehicle type.
Khan is such a slimy lying worm, I can’t believe he’s still in office let alone Mayor.
Thankfully we will almost certainly end up with Boris again which is probably a level of office which actually fits him very well. He was a great Mayor…
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Re: Any London members taking up Khan's scrappage offer?
I don't feel bad for Londoners and ulez. You voted for him. You deserve him.
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Re: Any London members taking up Khan's scrappage offer?
Bring back Ken.porter_jamie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 2:27 pm I don't feel bad for Londoners and ulez. You voted for him. You deserve him.
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Re: Any London members taking up Khan's scrappage offer?
He died, but the diddymen are up for itgremlin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 2:31 pmBring back Ken.porter_jamie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 2:27 pm I don't feel bad for Londoners and ulez. You voted for him. You deserve him.
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We all knew you'd be funny eventually.
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Re: Any London members taking up Khan's scrappage offer?
My 1983 two stroke Yamaha is ULEZ compliant, so is my 1982 Kawasaki, and my 2008 Mitsubishi, and my 2020 Suzuki, but my 1990 Yamaha isn't, my wife's 2007 VW also isn't, not that I care as I don't want to go to Chelsea.
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Re: Any London members taking up Khan's scrappage offer?
ULEZ be starting around Romford soon.....Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 3:07 pm My 1983 two stroke Yamaha is ULEZ compliant, so is my 1982 Kawasaki, and my 2008 Mitsubishi, and my 2020 Suzuki, but my 1990 Yamaha isn't, my wife's 2007 VW also isn't, not that I care as I don't want to go to Chelsea.
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Re: Any London members taking up Khan's scrappage offer?
Even betterv8-powered wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 3:10 pmULEZ be starting around Romford soon.....Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 3:07 pm My 1983 two stroke Yamaha is ULEZ compliant, so is my 1982 Kawasaki, and my 2008 Mitsubishi, and my 2020 Suzuki, but my 1990 Yamaha isn't, my wife's 2007 VW also isn't, not that I care as I don't want to go to Chelsea.
If they can add in Slough as well, possibly watford, Luton, that'll be lovely.
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Re: Any London members taking up Khan's scrappage offer?
I'm much more likely to go to Chelsea than Romfordv8-powered wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 3:10 pmULEZ be starting around Romford soon.....Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 3:07 pm My 1983 two stroke Yamaha is ULEZ compliant, so is my 1982 Kawasaki, and my 2008 Mitsubishi, and my 2020 Suzuki, but my 1990 Yamaha isn't, my wife's 2007 VW also isn't, not that I care as I don't want to go to Chelsea.
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Re: Any London members taking up Khan's scrappage offer?
That's what I did with the Rockster. No probs at all.v8-powered wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 10:29 amBelieve that a lot of people are getting it for free or as near as. You can request the CofC for your bike from the manufacturer and as long as the NOX levels are below the limit, you can submit to TfL and they grant you exemption.porter_jamie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 10:13 am anyone got a motorbike re certified as ulez compliant? apparently private dyno operators are offering the service for 175 quid
id like to know how that works.
I'm going to do this with the BMW I've purchased as it's not ULEZ compliant but is below the NOX limit.
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Re: Any London members taking up Khan's scrappage offer?
Elvis, is that you?Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 3:07 pm My 1983 two stroke Yamaha is ULEZ compliant, so is my 1982 Kawasaki, and my 2008 Mitsubishi, and my 2020 Suzuki, but my 1990 Yamaha isn't, my wife's 2007 VW also isn't, not that I care as I don't want to go to Chelsea.