The Bibby Stockholm!

[Greenman]

What do you think about the latest migrant fashion?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-66438086

I was foolishly watching the news this morning before leaving for work and they were going on about them saying that the rooms were not luxurious enough etc etc etc. WTF - Without sounding unsensitive to anyone's situation in their home land, if you really are running away from a bad situation this occommodation should be seen as a total sanctuary and they should be mega grateful right? - If they are not then they are surely not running away from bad situations and should just fuck off back to their comfy bed in their home country! Or is this just the reaction the BBC really wants from us, am i being a BBC muse?

It costs the tax payer £6m a day to house migrants apparently!

I give the Bibby Stockholm 2 years max before dispansion!

[Ant]

If one is complaining that board in a safe country isn't good enough, then it's not a life threatening situation that they're leaving. They're here via the back door for not very legal reasons.

[demographic]

Seems that 75% of asylum seekers are granted asylum and are judged to be honest about it, years ago they were processed and the 25% not granted asylum were deported.
The Conservatives sacked a load of the staff who did the processing and now the backlog is absolutely huge. Thats the Conservatives fault, process them and a vast majority could now be in work and contributing to the economy instead of being held in a situation where turning to crime is their only way to make money.
There's a couple of hotels filled with asylum seekers in Carlisle, ones mostly males and the other mostly young women and children, I assume they've been deliberately seperated.
I walk the dog past quite a few of them fairly regularly and they're jusg people, young enough to be my kids and most of them either keep their heads down or smile, say some grerting and the odd one stroked the dog.
Some are from Syria, a war torn country where Assad dropped poison gas, barrel bombs and to top it all there was a massive earthquake, I assume many are seriously worried about the people they left behind.
I would like to think that if I had to flee persecution that people from another country might give me the chance to start a new life away from persecution.
Many other European countries take in more asylum seekers per head of population so to my eyes, this is a problem that the Conservatives have deliberately mishandled in order to manufacture outrage amongst the rascists. Looks like its working again.

[Pirahna]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but pre brexit a person could claim asylum in any EU country from any other EU country. The UK was processing asylum requests fron people in Greece and Italy. After brexit the person physically has to be in the UK to claim asylum, hence the boats crossing the channel. Add in the lack of staff to process claims and the moving goalposts to make everyone illegal and you end up with a mess.

[Greenman]

Seems that 75% of asylum seekers are granted asylum and are judged to be honest about it, years ago they were processed and the 25% not granted asylum were deported.
The Conservatives sacked a load of the staff who did the processing and now the backlog is absolutely huge. Thats the Conservatives fault, process them and a vast majority could now be in work and contributing to the economy instead of being held in a situation where turning to crime is their only way to make money.
There's a couple of hotels filled with asylum seekers in Carlisle, ones mostly males and the other mostly young women and children, I assume they've been deliberately seperated.
I walk the dog past quite a few of them fairly regularly and they're jusg people, young enough to be my kids and most of them either keep their heads down or smile, say some grerting and the odd one stroked the dog.
Some are from Syria, a war torn country where Assad dropped poison gas, barrel bombs and to top it all there was a massive earthquake, I assume many are seriously worried about the people they left behind.
I would like to think that if I had to flee persecution that people from another country might give me the chance to start a new life away from persecution.
Many other European countries take in more asylum seekers per head of population so to my eyes, this is a problem that the Conservatives have deliberately mishandled in order to manufacture outrage amongst the rascists. Looks like its working again.

I'm not racist, i am just against the promotion of free loaders.

Seems i was right in the OP, i am a BBC muse...No more BBC news for me in the morning...

[Cousin Jack]

Under international law, an asylum seeker is obliged to seek asylum in the first 'safe' country he or she arrives in. So, unless they arrive direct fromAfghanistan/Iraq/wherever, they have already passed through several 'safe' countries. France/Greece/Italy are pretty safe, after all huge numbers of Brits go there on holiday.

The reality is that most 'asylum seekers' are economic refugees, they have no 'right' to be here at all, they mostly pretend to be from somewhere that isn't safe, or conceal where they are from, so they cannot be deported back there. A few years back I was involved with several asylum claimants, most were as dodgy as fuck.

[DefTrap]

Under international law, an asylum seeker is obliged to seek asylum in the first 'safe' country he or she arrives in. So, unless they arrive direct fromAfghanistan/Iraq/wherever, they have already passed through several 'safe' countries. France/Greece/Italy are pretty safe, after all huge numbers of Brits go there on holiday.

I guess the issue is that France, Italy and Greece etc (particularly Greece) probably think that they've had more than their fair share already. Are they supposed to just deal with it, and also, stop them leaving.? Particularly when there are literally 1000s of dodgy 'fixers', a lot of them native entrepreneurs doing good business moving them on.
No, I don't have the answer. We're all trying to do our best in what is a shitty situation.

[demographic]

Under international law, an asylum seeker is obliged to seek asylum in the first 'safe' country he or she arrives in. So, unless they arrive direct fromAfghanistan/Iraq/wherever, they have already passed through several 'safe' countries. France/Greece/Italy are pretty safe, after all huge numbers of Brits go there on holiday.

The reality is that most 'asylum seekers' are economic refugees, they have no 'right' to be here at all, they mostly pretend to be from somewhere that isn't safe, or conceal where they are from, so they cannot be deported back there. A few years back I was involved with several asylum claimants, most were as dodgy as fuck.

Where is this International Law you refer to? Got a link to it? cos this was what I found where Robert Jenrick had been fact checked by Chanel 4.
https://www.channel4.com/news/factche ... ntry

[Yambo]

Many other European countries take in more asylum seekers per head of population . . .

Are other metrics available to be used, like population density for example?

Your argument might fall short if you look at other comparisons.

I guess the issue is that France, Italy and Greece etc (particularly Greece) probably think that they've had more than their fair share already.

Are the British to be refused the same opinion?

[Mussels]

After all the vitriol last year about the UK not taking in Ukrainian refugees I saw some stats earlier this year that showed the UK had taken in a fair bit more than France, that seemed to be kept a bit quiet.

[JamJar]

Under international law, an asylum seeker is obliged to seek asylum in the first 'safe' country he or she arrives in. So, unless they arrive direct fromAfghanistan/Iraq/wherever, they have already passed through several 'safe' countries. France/Greece/Italy are pretty safe, after all huge numbers of Brits go there on holiday.

The reality is that most 'asylum seekers' are economic refugees, they have no 'right' to be here at all, they mostly pretend to be from somewhere that isn't safe, or conceal where they are from, so they cannot be deported back there. A few years back I was involved with several asylum claimants, most were as dodgy as fuck.

Both of your assertions are demonstrably untrue, Ineternational law does not state that Asylum seekers must claim asylum in the first safe country they enter. The EU's Dublin agreement does say that anyone claiming asylum in an EU member state should do so in the first EU country they enter, but even that is not a "must".

75% of asylum applicants are granetd asylum, so most of them aren't economic migrants. Mos of the economic migrants are in the other 600 000 who come here every year so called legally.

[DefTrap]

Are the British to be refused the same opinion?

Of course not - but some of these countries are literally on the front line of the problem. You see the piles of lifejackets discarded on Greek island beaches for example. Maybe the Greeks are making a better job of making them feel unwelcome? It's apparently an aspirational trait.

Seems it was all about the economic migrants and now it's all about rebranding the refugees away as well.

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

I was chatting with someone from Athens the other week, he said Athens is now awful because of all the migrants, with areas that the Police can't go into, these areas are now run by the migrants, mostly from the Middle East, is that what we want in the UK?

[Count Steer]

Seems it was all about the economic migrants and now it's all about rebranding the refugees away as well.

Maybe it's just about keeping it (and ULEZ) top of the news agenda? Some people seem happy to play along. Talk about the economy? No no no...'stop the boats'.

[Count Steer]

I was chatting with someone from Athens the other week, he said Athens is now awful because of all the migrants, with areas that the Police can't go into, these areas are now run by the migrants, mostly from the Middle East, is that what we want in the UK?

Ask them if they're talking about the Exarchia Square area. It's a current Athens 'hot spot'. (For a number of reasons...the main one being it's one of the few cheap areas left and it's getting gentrified/dismantled/'invested in'). It's a bit of a battleground, but not necessarily because it's an immigrant enclave, although it may suit some to suggest/believe it.

[DefTrap]

I was chatting with someone from Athens the other week, he said Athens is now awful because of all the migrants, with areas that the Police can't go into, these areas are now run by the migrants, mostly from the Middle East, is that what we want in the UK?

I imagine the Krays said the same when those blinkin' foreigners started encroaching on their turf.

Here's my anecdote - there's a new kebab shop in the next town, run by a bunch of migrants, lovely family, couldn't be nicer.
The restaurant a few doors away is run by some really miserable natives.

[DefTrap]

If I was bombed out of my home - and had to fall on the mercy of a neighbouring country - would I be ok with being sent somewhere/anywhere that would have me? To live in a floating container while they decided what to do with me? We're living in a civilised world after all, this isn't a Hollywood dystopian film script. And would it be better if my host country was pleased to see me rather than having to read and listen to everyone from political leaders and grubby shouty men telling me to feck right off?

[Mussels]

If I was bombed out of my home - and had to fall on the mercy of a neighbouring country - would I be ok with being sent somewhere/anywhere that would have me? To live in a floating container while they decided what to do with me? We're living in a civilised world after all, this isn't a Hollywood dystopian film script. And would it be better if my host country was pleased to see me rather than having to read and listen to everyone from political leaders and grubby shouty men telling me to feck right off?

I'd be happy with a floating container while I wait, but it depends what dream I'd been sold and for how much. Maybe they should report the smugglers to trading standards.

[Mr. Dazzle]

The Conservatives sacked a load of the staff who did the processing and now the backlog is absolutely huge. Thats the Conservatives fault, process them and a vast majority could now be in work and contributing to the economy instead of being held in a situation where turning to crime is their only way to make money.

I have no idea if this is true and if it's the Tory's fault, but it does seem like the obvious elephant in the room no-one ever mentions on the news. You can build as many leaky floating hotels and set up as many export airlines as you like, but if the "out" from the Asylum system takes forever all you're doing it adding more and more holding capacity without dealing with the problem.

If we're spending £6m a day on hotels why don't we spend £6m a day on processing applications?

Instead it looks like some Tories just want to remove Human rights

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66438422

[Cousin Jack]

And whilst there are real deserving asylum seekers that deserve sympathy and help, there are also other who destroy any evidence of their identity, lie about their country of origin, and lie about their age. I know, I have met some. At that time Kenya was peaceful but poor. Just across the border Somali was a real shithole with several wars going on between the government, the rebels, the islamic miitants and no doubt other factions. Enterprising young Kenyans with a yen for money often claimed to be Somali, amazingly most of them were young men, women and children were obviously exempt from being at risk from famine and bombs.

And they are 'helped' by lawyers who seem to have missed the bit in their appointment that says that they are an officer of the court, and may not knowingly mislead the court.