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[Yambo]

Would you date one or be inclined to 'give her (a transwoman) one' if the situation arose? Don't bother replying that you're a happily married man so the situation wouldn't arise, there's been many a 'happily married man' on here that's made the 'I'd give it one comment'.

I'd be happy to give you one if the mood took me
If you put a frock on and a bit of lippy then it's a cert.

You fuckin' lied to me! You were really in the Royal Marines!

And so was gremlin!

[Screwdriver]

How does that affect the proportion of 100 people selected at random from their respective group?

The sizes of the populations of 'normal' vs 'different' is relevant - the proportion of perversity is guesswork - I'm sure plenty have their opinion but it's probably based upon some shifty analysis.

Dealing with some facts and maths.

In a hypothetical town of 10,000 people.
700 are likely to be 'different'. (roughly 7% is a real figure, so we are told).
If 1 in 10 of the 'normal' people is a pervert - 1000.
Then all the 'different' ones are going to have to be perverts before 'different' and 'perverted' starts to be relevant.

So, either the 'different' ones are going to need to be massively more perverse than the 'normal' population, or the 'different' population (and this is only where proportion becomes relevant) is going to have to increase hugely against the 'normal' population.
Neither of those outcomes is likely - the first assumption is terrible prejudice, the second is based upon fear.
And, by the way, throwing in the poor old standard homosexuals & lesbians to bulk up the 'different' group is hugely unfair. Haven't they had enough?

I am not sure how you define "different" and I was careful to pose a question regarding only self identifying trans/LGBTQ. I did this so that trans/LGBTQ people are included as everyday normal folk, which I suggest, they are.

Those people who overtly identify as trans/LGBTQ are those I would classify as the activist/troublemakers. I propose those activists are not representative of the "normal" everyday trans/LGTBQ community. In fact I strongly suspect it has been hijacked deliberately by troublemakers and infiltrated by sexual deviants who are using those groups as cover in order to hide in plain sight.

Merely being gay is not "different" in my book but is of course perfectly typical human behaviour. Why do you suggest otherwise?

[JackyJoll]

I have a couple of questions for all those who want to fully accept transgender people into all aspects of society:

Would you date one or be inclined to 'give her (a transwoman) one' if the situation arose? Don't bother replying that you're a happily married man so the situation wouldn't arise, there's been many a 'happily married man' on here that's made the 'I'd give it one comment'.

There’s nothing new about all this.

[DefTrap]

I used 'different' for simplicity of not writing 'self identifying trans/LGBTQ' a load of times - I hope that explains any miscommunication. I believe approximately 7% is an agreed figure for 'self identifying trans/LGBTQ'.

I still say the populations are relevant because it puts 'the problem of deviant infiltration' in context. If 7% of the population are 'self identifying trans/LGBTQ' then there must surely be a smaller proportion of 'deviant infiltrators'. Putting that in context against the likelihood of deviance amongst the much larger 'normal' population leaves me thinking that the impact of 'deviant infiltrators' within trans/LGBTQ communities is being exaggerated. It seems to be straightforward mathematics rather than somewhat guesswork.

So maybe we should be asking ourselves why is this impact being exaggerated?

[Cousin Jack]

I think the point is not that trans people are sexual deiviants, but that sexual deviants can and do identify as trans just to get access where they can perve

[Bigjawa]

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Brian Molko must be pissing himself laughing. All his birthdays and Christmases at once.

He's quite fond of the Fender Bass VI. Obviously a wrong 'un....

Back when he was on TOTP doing Nancy Boy, he bore a frightening resemblance to a girlfriend I had at school. Kinda ironic considering some of the posts on this thread....

[DefTrap]

I think the point is not that trans people are sexual deiviants, but that sexual deviants can and do identify as trans just to get access where they can perve

Is this like the 'not all Leavers are racists' but 'all racists are Leavers' argument?
Because that went well didn't it.

It completely ignores the fact that the majority of pervs are straight blokes. If you're worried about pervs, lock all straight blokes up, the perving rate will drop through the floor. Instant success.
Lock up all the lbgtq population, you won't get so much of an impact.

[MyLittleStudPony]

I think the point is not that trans people are sexual deiviants, but that sexual deviants can and do identify as trans just to get access where they can perve

This seems a bizarre and naive theory.

[Cousin Jack]

It is not that argument at all. It is a rational explanation of why some people who 'identify' as trans are not trans at all, they are just perverts.

How you identify those is above my pay grade, but a clue might be that they had commited sex crimes as a man before deciding they were trans.

[Cousin Jack]

I think the point is not that trans people are sexual deiviants, but that sexual deviants can and do identify as trans just to get access where they can perve

This seems a bizarre and naive theory.

More of a fact than a theory.

[MyLittleStudPony]

I think the point is not that trans people are sexual deiviants, but that sexual deviants can and do identify as trans just to get access where they can perve

This seems a bizarre and naive theory.

More of a fact than a theory.

You've fear zoned yourself into inventing bogeymen.

[MyLittleStudPony]

I don't see how what you seem to be concerned about really happens.

Ok, let's say someone pretends to be trans in order to enter a women's changing room or lavatory in order to non-consensually meet some sort of sexual goal.

Now they're in there and they're confronted with a load of cubicles. What happens now?

[Ant]

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Brian Molko must be pissing himself laughing. All his birthdays and Christmases at once.

He's quite fond of the Fender Bass VI. Obviously a wrong 'un....

Back when he was on TOTP doing Nancy Boy, he bore a frightening resemblance to a girlfriend I had at school. Kinda ironic considering some of the posts on this thread....

Deffo a wrongun - Ibanez bass is where it's at.

[Screwdriver]

I used 'different' for simplicity of not writing 'self identifying trans/LGBTQ' a load of times - I hope that explains any miscommunication. I believe approximately 7% is an agreed figure for 'self identifying trans/LGBTQ'.

I still say the populations are relevant because it puts 'the problem of deviant infiltration' in context. If 7% of the population are 'self identifying trans/LGBTQ' then there must surely be a smaller proportion of 'deviant infiltrators'. Putting that in context against the likelihood of deviance amongst the much larger 'normal' population leaves me thinking that the impact of 'deviant infiltrators' within trans/LGBTQ communities is being exaggerated. It seems to be straightforward mathematics rather than somewhat guesswork.

So maybe we should be asking ourselves why is this impact being exaggerated?

If that is the case then you are not answering my question which was "which group is most likely to have the greater proportion of sexual deviants, weirdos or paedo's?" Instead you make the tacit assumption that the "differents" will inevitably contain all the weirdos/paedo's etc. because you immediately go on to suggest your reasons why that would be true.

[Ant]

Actually, can I just say something, this LGBTQ thing, I know some gay people, they don't like the LGBTQ term, the gay people I know (about three people) want nothing to do with the trans movement, they say it has nothing to do with being gay or bi at all.

[Yambo]

If that is the case then you are not answering my question which was "which group is most likely to have the greater proportion of sexual deviants . . . ?

Catholic priests?

[Cousin Jack]

If you cannot see the problem perhaps you ARE the problem.

[Screwdriver]

If that is the case then you are not answering my question which was "which group is most likely to have the greater proportion of sexual deviants . . . ?

Catholic priests?

I would like to think that is an historical truism which has been addressed, whereas this obsession with parading transgenderism or teaching homosexual acts to children is a more recent phenomena. I think teaching such intensely personal preferences is just plain wrong and we should stick to biology and factual, scientifically valid subjects.

[DefTrap]

If that is the case then you are not answering my question which was "which group is most likely to have the greater proportion of sexual deviants, weirdos or paedo's?"

I don't know. If you have some stats that might be useful, a bit. But I don't know, and I'm not guessing.
But like I explained, it would have to be a huge proportional difference to have an impact on actual numbers, so I'm not sure it matters

And I think you've misinterpreted what I said about the "differently" because what you said I said is almost exactly the opposite of what I intended.

[DefTrap]

Actually, can I just say something, this LGBTQ thing, I know some gay people, they don't like the LGBTQ term, the gay people I know (about three people) want nothing to do with the trans movement, they say it has nothing to do with being gay or bi at all.

I feel the same about the Scottish.