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[MyLittleStudPony]

I'd be very happy for a trans person to share their views and experiences on sex education with my kids, to the same degree I would a non trans person.i think it'd be really useful to be honest.

Do you think they're going to try and trans them up or predate on them because they are trans?

[Screwdriver]

I'd be very happy for a trans person to share their views and experiences on sex education with my kids, to the same degree I would a non trans person.i think it'd be really useful to be honest.

Do you think they're going to try and trans them up or predate on them because they are trans?

No. That would require bigoted prejudice. People are just people and I would make an assessment based on that particular individual, as would you.

Statistically however, you're on a hiding to nothing. A <nonspecific> trangender or LGBTQ+ person, let alone activist, is MUCH more likely to have sexual prejudices of their own which do not align with societal norms.

[DefTrap]

Remember Sophie Lancaster? People are now taught that it's ok to be goth, so how many of you were convinced to turn goth because of this?

It's not that anyone is 'convinced' to be different - just maybe that they were already leaning that way and were dissuaded because the general public tend to pitchfork anyone slightly different in the face, lest they catch it like a disease. If you see more goths and they're not being marginalised and having their heads kicked in, then maybe you're more likely to be one. I was a goth as a yoof, sort of, but I was actively trying to be a w@nker. To their credit, late-1980s England was fairly accepting - probably they were still getting over the New Romantics.

When it comes to sexuality, you can flipflop between hetero and homo apparently and nobody is really that bothered these days (although a schoolfriend of mine hasn't been super-accepting of her husband's recent revelations) but proper TG transitioning is a bit tricky to reverse.

That's the only problem I have with it, surgically modifying yourself is a big deal, it's a whole new level of rebelling if that's why you're doing it. You would have thought the rebel-TG mob are a tiny minority of an already tiny TG minority though, so how the whole subject gets so many column inches ..?...

[Cousin Jack]

Surgically and chemically changing yourself is also VERY expensive. I object to paying for it, if you want it pay for it privately.

[DefTrap]

And TG is being targeted by perverts? So not only has the world decided (must sound familiar to homosexuals) that this is the realm of perversion, we're conveniently ignoring that perversion has a long history of domination by straight geezers in positions of authority. So, maybe get your own (sexual) house in order first, before you chin-music yourself to death worrying about a tsunami of TG pervs stealing your children's childhoods away.

[Greenman]

I have a question for those people who are terrified about teaching children that it's ok to accept transgender people.

It's been taught for as long as I can remember that it's ok to be gay, I'm sure some of you (that aren't dinosaurs) might have even come to the conclusion yourself, i.e. that it's ok to accept gay people as equal and everyday normal members of society...and I wonder...how many of you were turned from straight to gay because of this?

Remember Sophie Lancaster? People are now taught that it's ok to be goth, so how many of you were convinced to turn goth because of this?

Teaching kids that it's ok to accept transgender people into society will not turn them into transgender people.

I think some of you are so scared to teach people that it's ok to be anything other than heterosexual because you're internally terrified that you might not be one yourself and you'd prefer to keep that reality recessed into a very dark and faraway place in your minds.

Are you coming out to us as Trans Iccy?

As with everything education is key.

I don't really like what transgender people do physically with sex changes etc, but people need to be tought about it as it is now part of our society, keeping the kids in the dark isn't going to do them any good when they meet someone transgender, if they have the knowledge about what a transgender person is, they won't be confused or freaked out.

Pushing children to consider what sex they are however is a bad move!

[Count Steer]

I do enjoy these little lectures that Potter gives from time to time, telling us stuff we already knew but trying to make himself feel superior just for pointing out the obvious.

Seems like the chap was making a valid set of points to me. One may or may not agree with him but he's quite entitled to present a reasoned argument. (Would actually be nice if more people did!).

(I think there's a line to be drawn in education between 'education' and 'advocacy' so letting the likes of Stonewall or Mermaids anywhere near kids is my personal bête noir).

[Ant]

So what if a 12 year old says, they'd like to be in an intimate relationship with a 45 year old? That'll be the next thing to come, will you be ok with that?

If not, why not?

[Ant]

I have a question for those people who are terrified about teaching children that it's ok to accept transgender people.

It's been taught for as long as I can remember that it's ok to be gay, I'm sure some of you (that aren't dinosaurs) might have even come to the conclusion yourself, i.e. that it's ok to accept gay people as equal and everyday normal members of society...and I wonder...how many of you were turned from straight to gay because of this?

Remember Sophie Lancaster? People are now taught that it's ok to be goth, so how many of you were convinced to turn goth because of this?

Teaching kids that it's ok to accept transgender people into society will not turn them into transgender people.

I think some of you are so scared to teach people that it's ok to be anything other than heterosexual because you're internally terrified that you might not be one yourself and you'd prefer to keep that reality recessed into a very dark and faraway place in your minds.

Are you coming out to us as Trans Iccy?

As with everything education is key.

I don't really like what transgender people do physically with sex changes etc, but people need to be tought about it as it is now part of our society, keeping the kids in the dark isn't going to do them any good when they meet someone transgender, if they have the knowledge about what a transgender person is, they won't be confused or freaked out.

Pushing children to consider what sex they are however is a bad move!

No one has really been kept in the dark over it, when you and I were children, we weren't petrified if ever we met someone trans - the issue here now today is that it's being promoted to an extreme level, kids are being sexually confused and extremist cult groups like Stonewall have been allowed into schools to do this.

Keep my kids away from this shit.

[Noggin]

I do enjoy these little lectures that Potter gives from time to time, telling us stuff we already knew but trying to make himself feel superior just for pointing out the obvious.

I liked his comment because a lot of comments here are properly phobic.

I do understand that permanent physical changes at a young age are unwise and almost certainly wrong - definitely something to be treated with caution and care. The 'extreme' possibilities are, I think, wrong. I believe that nothing permanent should happen to kids until they are old enough to be sure - or at the least classed as an adult.

BUT, there are a lot of comments about transgender adults that are also quite wrong.

There's a balance.

So, I didn't read the comment as trying to make himself feel superior. I thought it was a pretty level kind of comment.

But then, I guess my transgender friends and the youngster I know that is currently struggling to work out what they prefer to be are almost certainly reading and getting a lot of abuse and negativity. So I don't mind someone reminding us about the other people/groups that were vilified before.

[Ant]

I do enjoy these little lectures that Potter gives from time to time, telling us stuff we already knew but trying to make himself feel superior just for pointing out the obvious.

I liked his comment because a lot of comments here are properly phobic.

Well yes, a phobia is indeed a fear. I think we're right to be fearful of grooming.

And yes, there is a balance - someone as an adult making the right decision for themselves is completely different to extreme groups such as Stonewall encouraging kids to go through with life changing mutilation which many have since regretted.

[JackyJoll]

Children should be taught facts, such as the fact that transgender means pretending to be the other sex.

You can go into the reasons people do it but that will always be less certain, as minds cannot be read.

[mangocrazy]

I do enjoy these little lectures that Potter gives from time to time, telling us stuff we already knew but trying to make himself feel superior just for pointing out the obvious.

Seems like the chap was making a valid set of points to me. One may or may not agree with him but he's quite entitled to present a reasoned argument. (Would actually be nice if more people did!).

(I think there's a line to be drawn in education between 'education' and 'advocacy' so letting the likes of Stonewall or Mermaids anywhere near kids is my personal bête noir).

I have no issue with what Potter wrote; it seems perfectly reasonable and mirrors my views on gay/trans/goths. It was just that it was presented in a way that inferred that most of 'us' felt differently. I don't think that is the case.

[DefTrap]

I have no issue with what Potter wrote; it seems perfectly reasonable and mirrors my views on gay/trans/goths. It was just that it was presented in a way that inferred that most of 'us' felt differently.

I think most of us on here are a bit guilty of that, either on purpose or accidentally

[Yambo]

I have a couple of questions for all those who want to fully accept transgender people into all aspects of society:

Would you date one or be inclined to 'give her (a transwoman) one' if the situation arose? Don't bother replying that you're a happily married man so the situation wouldn't arise, there's been many a 'happily married man' on here that's made the 'I'd give it one comment'.

Would you be happy with your pre-pubescent daughters sharing toilets and changing rooms at school or the local swimming pool with males, perhaps ones a couple of years older than your daughter. Telling me you don't have a daughter or your daughters are old enough to not be affected isn't going to cut it - treat it like a thought experiment. Do you think it's acceptable for your daughters to not be given safe spaces away from predatory males?

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

I have a couple of questions for all those who want to fully accept transgender people into all aspects of society:

Would you date one or be inclined to 'give her (a transwoman) one' if the situation arose? Don't bother replying that you're a happily married man so the situation wouldn't arise, there's been many a 'happily married man' on here that's made the 'I'd give it one comment'.

Would you be happy with your pre-pubescent daughters sharing toilets and changing rooms at school or the local swimming pool with males, perhaps ones a couple of years older than your daughter. Telling me you don't have a daughter or your daughters are old enough to not be affected isn't going to cut it - treat it like a thought experiment. Do you think it's acceptable for your daughters to not be given safe spaces away from predatory males?

I don't fully accept trannys, so my answers are no and no, because I don't wear the bumming hat or encourage paedos, I don't care if people think less of me for my opinions, deal with it, my daughter disagrees with me btw

[Cousin Jack]

My daughter has been places (Jordanian desert, Amazon jungle) where there are no safe spaces. She didnt die, or even feel threatened.

[gremlin]

Would you be happy with your pre-pubescent daughters sharing toilets and changing rooms at school or the local swimming pool with males, perhaps ones a couple of years older than your daughter. Telling me you don't have a daughter or your daughters are old enough to not be affected isn't going to cut it - treat it like a thought experiment. Do you think it's acceptable for your daughters to not be given safe spaces away from predatory males?

What about your pre-pubescent son sharing a male changing room with a bloke? He might be a raging peado, or a bloke simply going for a swim. Maybe he likes dressing up in women's clothes on a Sunday. Maybe he's totally asexual, or possibly into scat action.

Or maybe the lady who's sharing a changing room with pre-pubescent daughter is a secret lezza who's gonna flick the bean later at the memory of it all.

Ya just never know, do you?

[Ant]

Would you be happy with your pre-pubescent daughters sharing toilets and changing rooms at school or the local swimming pool with males, perhaps ones a couple of years older than your daughter. Telling me you don't have a daughter or your daughters are old enough to not be affected isn't going to cut it - treat it like a thought experiment. Do you think it's acceptable for your daughters to not be given safe spaces away from predatory males?

What about your pre-pubescent son sharing a male changing room with a bloke? He might be a raging peado, or a bloke simply going for a swim. Maybe he likes dressing up in women's clothes on a Sunday. Maybe he's totally asexual, or possibly into scat action.

Or maybe the lady who's sharing a changing room with pre-pubescent daughter is a secret lezza who's gonna flick the bean later at the memory of it all.

Ya just never know, do you?

You bugger, you absolute buggering bugger....

....I'm now wiping coffee off my laptop and desk

[wheelnut]

I have a couple of questions for all those who want to fully accept transgender people into all aspects of society:

Would you date one or be inclined to 'give her (a transwoman) one' if the situation arose? Don't bother replying that you're a happily married man so the situation wouldn't arise, there's been many a 'happily married man' on here that's made the 'I'd give it one comment'.

Would you be happy with your pre-pubescent daughters sharing toilets and changing rooms at school or the local swimming pool with males, perhaps ones a couple of years older than your daughter. Telling me you don't have a daughter or your daughters are old enough to not be affected isn't going to cut it - treat it like a thought experiment. Do you think it's acceptable for your daughters to not be given safe spaces away from predatory males?

Is a trans 'woman' automatically a predatory male? No to the first question. The second question; yes, it's something that needs thinking about.

My main issue with the trans movement is where it involves kids and young adults. My nephew, who now lives in Austraila, is a mixed up 18 yr old kid who's decided he wants to live as a woman. He's been seeing a psychiatrist, and, instead of being taught to cope with fact he's becoming a man, his psychiatrist has put him on HRT and he now needs a bra. To me that is verging on abuse of the vulnerable.

In their particular part of austrailia, pride is a big thing. Lots of trans people and the school kids, instead of being general little shits, like we used to be, seem to do this as a means of being 'different' so lots more kids jump on the bandwagon. That's fine, but giving them medical interventions that will irrevocably alter their life at that age seems very wrong to me.