Address to the EU parliament, Dr David Martin
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Re: Address to the EU parliament, Dr David Martin
If there's evidence to confirm it, then it isn't. But you know that.
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Re: Address to the EU parliament, Dr David Martin
Bloke off t'internet, obvs.Cousin Jack wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 8:21 pm Somebody is telling lies!
Do I believe the body of medical opinion, or a few blokes on the internet?
Re: Address to the EU parliament, Dr David Martin
There's always enough evidence for what ever anyone wants to believe.
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Re: Address to the EU parliament, Dr David Martin
FTFY
There is no cloud, just somebody else's computer.
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Re: Address to the EU parliament, Dr David Martin
Albeit someone seems reluctant to support his opinion with evidence.
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Re: Address to the EU parliament, Dr David Martin
My arguments are well presented and based upon my expertise. I've explained the processes and their robustness which you were quite happy to have a groundless pop at. Maybe you want to have another try at "wasn't tested" and "wilfully dismissing evidence", you seemed pretty sure at the time.
Your YouTube guy has a track record of using unreliable sources to back up his very popular videos by the way. This is the trouble with not knowing what you're talking about, he might find something relevant eventually but it's lost in the fog of nonsense. But it's not his job is it? He has no professional duty to uphold. He can't be prosecuted if his opinion turns out to be wrong or unsafe like some of us.
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Re: Address to the EU parliament, Dr David Martin
Yes, of course. If something unexpected happens, and you’ve had the vaccine, it stands to reason that it was causative. Can’t prove otherwise, and somebody else said so too so…
Hang on while I put it on the Internet…
Hang on while I put it on the Internet…
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Re: Address to the EU parliament, Dr David Martin
Thankfully, medicine has moved on from expert opinions to "evidence-based medicine":
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK279348/
Expert opinions still have their place in medicine, but only where a scientific study hasn't yet been done. In Covid's case, several thousand scientific studies have been done.
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Re: Address to the EU parliament, Dr David Martin
Sitting next to a smoker in a pub is associated with cancer.
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Re: Address to the EU parliament, Dr David Martin
Nobody is saying that medications absolutely can't have unforeseen side effects. This is why information continues to be gathered, and mechanisms are in place to make it easy. But we know in general how vaccines work, side effects that aren't logged during the trial period are relatively rare. But yes of course it's possible.
I don't think it helps being lectured by amateurs like YouTube guy - in a format where only he is in control of the message - and also where he has a reputation for promoting a load of old bunk.
I don't think it helps being lectured by amateurs like YouTube guy - in a format where only he is in control of the message - and also where he has a reputation for promoting a load of old bunk.