Cousin Jack wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 5:29 pm Again, being brutal, medical science can now prolong many lives, but that doesn't mean it should, especially when someone else has to pay.
It’s a valid point and some difficult conversations are heading our way. Through the course of my job I sometimes have to go in to care homes. They are truly terrifying places and you look around and think ‘what are we doing?’.
When the amount of money we are spending on keeping the elderly alive (with no quality of life) is exponentially greater than we are spending on the education and development of children then something is topsy turvy.
Mr. Dazzle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 3:57 pm
It's all linked in every direction though. The best way to limit population is to raise living standards and education (particularly for women, obvs) which usually comes with greater energy and resource consumption.
The western world actually has a serious population problem brewing, there could very well be too few people in the coming decades. China is already either about to start a population decline or is already in one.
To limit population we must educate women?
Never realised us girls could create life all alone!
I’ve barely comprehended anything you wrote after that! Still wondering how men aren’t required to have some responsibility for over population!!
Life is for living. Buy the shoes. Eat the cake. Ride the bikes. Just, ride the bikes!!
Mr. Dazzle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 3:57 pm
It's all linked in every direction though. The best way to limit population is to raise living standards and education (particularly for women, obvs) which usually comes with greater energy and resource consumption.
The western world actually has a serious population problem brewing, there could very well be too few people in the coming decades. China is already either about to start a population decline or is already in one.
To limit population we must educate women?
Never realised us girls could create life all alone!
I’ve barely comprehended anything you wrote after that! Still wondering how men aren’t required to have some responsibility for over population!!
In pretty much every country where women have had access to a more widespread high standard of education they've had less children.
On average better educated women have less children.
mangocrazy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 6:27 pm
I think Mr D is assuming that educated women have less sprogs as they are more interested in a career.
I'm not assuming anything, just have a read around.
Not saying its wimmins fault or anything like that, its just a very clear relationship. Multiple factors generate it but its pretty apparent over many decades.
Its even more basic than being interested in a career. You are talking in UKesque terms but in many parts of the world women don't have any opportunity to be anything other than a wife and a mother, they don't even have a choice. Again I'm not saying that's their fault but the outcome is obvious.
Noggin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 5:54 pm
Never realised us girls could create life all alone!
Right from the day Eve talked Adam into getting his gnashers around the forbidden fruit,the wimminz has been luring us poor weak males into all kinds of trouble.
mangocrazy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 6:27 pm
I think Mr D is assuming that educated women have less sprogs as they are more interested in a career.
I'm not assuming anything, just have a read around.
OK, so 'assuming' was a bad choice of word. Does 'stating' or 'asserting' as a substitute make you happier? The broad point I was making ties in with your and Demographic's comments.
There is also the point that education and an enlightened, progressive regime in which to be educated and to live are equally a requirement.
mangocrazy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 6:27 pm
I think Mr D is assuming that educated women have less sprogs as they are more interested in a career. Not sure whether that holds water or not.
Shame that doesn't work for educated men then, huh?!!
I do get that 'in general' educated women have less kids for a variety of reasons, but there is still the ongoing issue that many uneducated women don't have kids from choice - their men (probably equally uneducated) are fully involved and equally responsible, and often lack the control or discipline to help with having less kids!
But, yes, that is a different conversation, mostly!
Life is for living. Buy the shoes. Eat the cake. Ride the bikes. Just, ride the bikes!!
Noggin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 5:54 pm
Never realised us girls could create life all alone!
Right from the day Eve talked Adam into getting his gnashers around the forbidden fruit, the wimminz has been luring us poor weak males into all kinds of trouble.
Excuses excuses!!
Life is for living. Buy the shoes. Eat the cake. Ride the bikes. Just, ride the bikes!!
I still remember the Santa outfit with those boots......
Anyway, big guy I work with, he and his missus decided early on not to have kids. His gaff is paid off, he has a nearly new Camry and is off tomorrow to New York, Poland and Lithuainia for three weeks.
I still remember the Santa outfit with those boots......
Anyway, big guy I work with, he and his missus decided early on not to have kids. His gaff is paid off, he has a nearly new Camry and is off tomorrow to New York, Poland and Lithuainia for three weeks.
LOL It still wasn't a 'come hither' photo!! Just some fun!!
And life can certainly be different with/without kids. And for years there's been pressure for everyone to have kids (and get married!).
Life is for living. Buy the shoes. Eat the cake. Ride the bikes. Just, ride the bikes!!
Potter wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 7:50 am
I read the BBC news website every morning for entertainment, but I always end up rolling my eyes at the newspaper headlines bit.
Same, if only for the Daily Star front page, which makes me giggle....
Anyhow, I suppose on a slow news day, when the Spanish elections are about the only other thing going on, a headline that reads 'UK tourists inconvenienced by wild fire 10km away.' just ain't gonna shift enough copies.
So....she had a ticket, refused to show it, gets arrested for failing to show it, then the world goes a bit bat shit crazy with M.P.s getting involved. FFS.
gremlin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:44 pm
I've been asked to evidence my fare on public transport previously, which I've always done. That's probably why I've never ended up being arrested....
Mother wrongly accused of dodging bus fare handcuffed in front of crying child
So....she had a ticket, refused to show it, gets arrested for failing to show it, then the world goes a bit bat shit crazy with M.P.s getting involved. FFS.
Take a step back - what would have been the easy solution ...
gremlin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:44 pm
I've been asked to evidence my fare on public transport previously, which I've always done. That's probably why I've never ended up being arrested....
Mother wrongly accused of dodging bus fare handcuffed in front of crying child
So....she had a ticket, refused to show it, gets arrested for failing to show it, then the world goes a bit bat shit crazy with M.P.s getting involved. FFS.
Take a stp bak - what would have been the easy solution ...
