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[Hot_Air]

A bit like those men in dresses pretending to be women which you support....I suppose.

I support Grayson Perry — a motorcyclist who’s never owned a car

[Horse]

A bit like those men in dresses pretending to be women which you support....I suppose.

I support Grayson Perry — a motorcyclist who’s never owned a car

One of our local secondary schools has introduced the kilt as a uniform option, open to anyone who wants to wear one. The kids are not pretending to be anything.

[cheb]

A bit like those men in dresses pretending to be women which you support....I suppose.

I support Grayson Perry — a motorcyclist who’s never owned a car

One of our local secondary schools has introduced the kilt as a uniform option, open to anyone who wants to wear one. The kids are not pretending to be anything.

How did the school decide that the garment was a kilt and not a skirt? Is it the same style kilt for all pupils?

[ZRX61]

One of our local secondary schools has introduced the kilt as a uniform option, open to anyone who wants to wear one. The kids are not pretending to be anything.

Is there going to be a problem when you have males showing up in proper kilts & the school tarts showing up in plaid mini skirts claiming they're technically kilts?

[Mr. Dazzle]

The kids are not pretending to be anything.

Oh I dunno, I know more than one kilt wearer who's pretending to be Scottish.

[Horse]

One of our local secondary schools has introduced the kilt as a uniform option, open to anyone who wants to wear one. The kids are not pretending to be anything.

How did the school decide that the garment was a kilt and not a skirt? Is it the same style kilt for all pupils.

2.1 Uniform for Year 7-11
For all Year 7-11 students, the uniform is:
● A school blazer and school tie
● A plain white work-style shirt or blouse. This can be short or long sleeved and must be
tucked in at all times.
● Either tailored black trousers or the school kilt

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For how they decided? No idea. PM me if you want contact details.

[Ant]

A kilt, so a skirt then......

[Horse]

A kilt, so a skirt then......

kilt
/kɪlt/
noun
a garment resembling a knee-length skirt

[cheb]

I've no great interest in the tiny details, I'm just amused by the fuss made about 'men wearing womens' clothing' as if the two categories have easily distinguished and obvious differences.

What stops that kilt being classed as a skirt, thus making it unsuitable for men? Pleats? The Tartan? The accessories?

If it's the accessories can the pupils now demand to wear a sporran too and carry a sgian dubh? Is an English school having a Scotch garment as uniform just institutional oppression by cultural appropriation?

More utterly pointless questions are available, send an SAE to the usual address.

[Ant]

A kilt, so a skirt then......

kilt
/kɪlt/
noun
a garment resembling a knee-length skirt

Resembling? No it is one.

[Horse]

A kilt, so a skirt then......

kilt
/kɪlt/
noun
a garment resembling a knee-length skirt

Resembling? No it is one.

So what do you think those who choose to wear the kilt are pretending to be?

And what about those who choose trousers, what are they pretending to be?

[Horse]

I've no great interest in the tiny details, I'm just amused by the fuss made about 'men wearing womens' clothing' as if the two categories have easily distinguished and obvious differences.

Indeed.

More utterly pointless question are available

I like it when people say "I have a stupid question" because I have loads of stupid answers.

[Count Steer]

Should probably be in 'interesting facts' but tartan can be plain (it refers to the weave not the colour pattern*) and an Englishman, Thomas Rawlinson of Lancashire, invented the kilt. (The second factoid is, of course, disputed ).

* so a printed fabric 'kilt' or a simple woven fabric 'kilt' is probably not a kilt because they should be made of tartan weave fabric (plain or patterned) I believe. Proper ones are hard to make and require a lot of work to get the pleats in - sometimes a hammer is required.

[Yambo]

Proper ones are hard to make and require a lot of work to get the pleats in - sometimes a hammer is required.

Nails are useful for getting them out . . .

[cheb]

It's a 2/2 twill AFAIR and the earliest are from China a long time ago.

Spawn the elder has an interest in weaving, so I've been told of these things.

[Bike Breaker]

Is an English school having a Scotch garment as uniform just institutional oppression by cultural appropriation?

I think that would only be if they wore a belted plaid. Having watched two young men dressing in them, I don't think many kids would choose that if it were an option.

[DefTrap]

Yeah, the Scotch have been aiding and abetting trannies, and therefore sexual deviants, for hundreds of years now. The glens must be full of them. And lochs and burns.

When I was at school, the wearing of trainers, rather than the de-rigeur cheapo Clarks dress shoes, marked you out as a communist hipster. I see pretty much all 'school shoes' look more like unbranded black trainers these days. Times change, but not very fast.

I also remember at 6th form (mid 80s) some of the guys arriving in skirts to mock a decision by the Principal who had randomly banned the girls from wearing long trousers. Something like that. I don't recall any of them getting a taste for it.

[Kneerly Down]

● Either tailored black trousers or the school kilt

It does look much more like a skirt than a kilt, mostly because it has pleats on the front and it looks very light weight.
A proper* kilt is very substantial, heavy and warm...both of the latter aspects being handy in cold, windy climes!


* yes, I know the item is not especially well defined. The school clothing item isn't what I'd call a kilt. I note it's shown with a girls' blazer...unless boys ones can button up the 'female way' now as well!

[Horse]

● Either tailored black trousers or the school kilt

It does look much more like a skirt than a kilt, mostly because it has pleats on the front and it looks very light weight.
A proper* kilt is very substantial, heavy and warm...both of the latter aspects being handy in cold, windy climes!


* yes, I know the item is not especially well defined. The school clothing item isn't what I'd call a kilt. I

Quite pleasing that, instead of certain people frothing that the school is facilitating cross-dressing, the discussion has moved onto history and design of a Scottish kilt

[Count Steer]

It's a 2/2 twill AFAIR and the earliest are from China a long time ago.

Spawn the elder has an interest in weaving, so I've been told of these things.

Weaving is fascinating. I keep thinking about doing a residential course but I resist getting too interested in hobbies that need kit - and I'm definitely not setting up a loom (or spinning and dying) at home! Same with pottery - definitely not starting on the 'kiln in the garage' game.

Weaving is quite mathematical (I know a couple of weavers who do stuff like silk weaving, one of them is into fractal patterns - I've got a couple of his scarves, they make your eyes go funny ).