Horse wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 9:56 pm
As the first linked article says: The abandoned cars may have undergone a similar fate. So take the YouTuber's allegations with a pinch of salt.
Which is EXACTLY what the CCD link says, because it's the EXACT SAME article... But Piranha says everything on CCD is bullshit.. so it's gospel on one website & bullshit on another... Hence my post the other day about him debunking a debunked report on a debunked website.. then today he posts the EXACT SAME article.
It doesn't cost 34k or even 58k to produce an EV, let alone making 58k loss.
I imagine those figures are "total amount spent on EVs (i.e. including all the billions spending on R&D) divided by number of cars produced", which is schoolboys level of sophistication.
We can give Ford a proper schooling in that area, we've NEVER made a profit
Fella at work has just bought a new Tesla Model 3 long range.
He turned up to work yesterday in his old Fiesta 1.8 diesel - range anxiety has got to him already and worried about being able to locate operational chargers and not being able to make it home!
v8-powered wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2023 8:50 am
Fella at work has just bought a new Tesla Model 3 long range.
He turned up to work yesterday in his old Fiesta 1.8 diesel - range anxiety has got to him already and worried about being able to locate operational chargers and not being able to make it home!
v8-powered wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2023 8:50 am
Fella at work has just bought a new Tesla Model 3 long range.
He turned up to work yesterday in his old Fiesta 1.8 diesel - range anxiety has got to him already and worried about being able to locate operational chargers and not being able to make it home!
That's a hell of a commute. Real world range in summer will be 300 miles at the least, so assume he must live at least 150 miles away with no ability to charge at work?
v8-powered wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2023 8:50 am
Fella at work has just bought a new Tesla Model 3 long range.
He turned up to work yesterday in his old Fiesta 1.8 diesel - range anxiety has got to him already and worried about being able to locate operational chargers and not being able to make it home!
v8-powered wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2023 8:50 am
Fella at work has just bought a new Tesla Model 3 long range.
He turned up to work yesterday in his old Fiesta 1.8 diesel - range anxiety has got to him already and worried about being able to locate operational chargers and not being able to make it home!
That's a hell of a commute. Real world range in summer will be 300 miles at the least, so assume he must live at least 150 miles away with no ability to charge at work?
160 miles each way - comes down for a few days in the office and then back home. Chargers are being installed at work but as with everything, very slowly.
I do know another guy with a Model 3 and he commutes 220 miles per day but I'd guess through winter he may be pushing his luck somewhat.....
Mr. Dazzle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2023 9:01 am
So he bought a car with a stated range of 300 miles to do a regular 320 mile round trip?
EDIT: Oh it's long range - so stated 375 miles. Be reet
He was full of confidence until it arrived - he's keeping a spreadsheet of its power consumption now. Was quite surprised how much power they consume just sitting idle!
Dunno TBH, does sound like a lot. Probably more likely self discharge on the battery?
SOC is also notoriously hard to measure accurately, so even comparing "hot battery just parked" to "cold battery which has been outside all night" will appear to show some loss even if it's not "real".
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v8-powered wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2023 9:24 am
~Chatting to him yesterday he quote 1kW just to keep the car systems alive per day? Not being used, no heat - just sat on his driveway.
Does he mean 1 kWh?
Never thought about it like that, but even at today's crazy energy prices that's still only 30p/day. Not gonna break the bank one would hope.
Mr. Dazzle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2023 9:29 am
Dunno TBH, does sound like a lot. Probably more likely self discharge on the battery?
SOC is also notoriously hard to measure accurately, so even comparing "hot battery just parked" to "cold battery which has been outside all night" will appear to show some loss even if it's not "real".
v8-powered wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2023 9:24 am
~Chatting to him yesterday he quote 1kW just to keep the car systems alive per day? Not being used, no heat - just sat on his driveway.
Does he mean 1 kWh?
Never thought about it like that, but even at today's crazy energy prices that's still only 30p/day. Not gonna break the bank one would hope.
Think it's all adding to his anxiety TBH.
Whilst I'd happily have an EV for my wife, who does max 25 miles per day, I think anyone who does decent mileage is still playing roulette until the infrastructure is improved. I can see him using his diesel Festa until the chargers at work are commissioned, even then I think he'll stress......
v8-powered wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2023 9:38 am
Whilst I'd happily have an EV for my wife, who does max 25 miles per day, I think anyone who does decent mileage is still playing roulette until the infrastructure is improved. I can see him using his diesel Festa until the chargers at work are commissioned, even then I think he'll stress......
I'd definitely not enjoy commuting to the very limit of range if there was no option to charge en route or at work.
If this report is to believed, and if Toyota is being entirely truthful about the solid state battery tech they are developing, then they are saying that by 2030 they will be able to commercially offer a battery with a range of greater than 700 miles and a recharge time of 10 minutes. Sounds (and smells) suspiciously like pie in the sky to me, but the EV market really does need a step change of this magnitude to gain widespread adoption.
mangocrazy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2023 11:33 am
If this report is to believed, and if Toyota is being entirely truthful about the solid state battery tech they are developing, then they are saying that by 2030 they will be able to commercially offer a battery with a range of greater than 700 miles and a recharge time of 10 minutes. Sounds (and smells) suspiciously like pie in the sky to me, but the EV market really does need a step change of this magnitude to gain widespread adoption.
IIRC there was a scientist (or a team) at some Uni who had figured that out, a year or two ago, but was looking for corporate backing to investigate whether or not it was feasible as an actual product. Mind you - that happens all the time - there's lots of people investigating this as a desirable technology, so they're always testing different materials and combinations.
