Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?

[Horse]

Fella at work has just bought a new Tesla Model 3 long range.
He turned up to work yesterday in his old Fiesta 1.8 diesel - range anxiety has got to him already and worried about being able to locate operational chargers and not being able to make it home!

How far is his commute?

[Slenver]

Fella at work has just bought a new Tesla Model 3 long range.
He turned up to work yesterday in his old Fiesta 1.8 diesel - range anxiety has got to him already and worried about being able to locate operational chargers and not being able to make it home!

That's a hell of a commute. Real world range in summer will be 300 miles at the least, so assume he must live at least 150 miles away with no ability to charge at work?

[v8-powered]

Fella at work has just bought a new Tesla Model 3 long range.
He turned up to work yesterday in his old Fiesta 1.8 diesel - range anxiety has got to him already and worried about being able to locate operational chargers and not being able to make it home!

How far is his commute?

About 160 miles each way

[v8-powered]

Fella at work has just bought a new Tesla Model 3 long range.
He turned up to work yesterday in his old Fiesta 1.8 diesel - range anxiety has got to him already and worried about being able to locate operational chargers and not being able to make it home!

That's a hell of a commute. Real world range in summer will be 300 miles at the least, so assume he must live at least 150 miles away with no ability to charge at work?

160 miles each way - comes down for a few days in the office and then back home. Chargers are being installed at work but as with everything, very slowly.
I do know another guy with a Model 3 and he commutes 220 miles per day but I'd guess through winter he may be pushing his luck somewhat.....

[Mr. Dazzle]

So he bought a car with a stated range of 300 miles to do a regular 320 mile round trip?

EDIT: Oh it's long range - so stated 375 miles. Be reet

[v8-powered]

So he bought a car with a stated range of 300 miles to do a regular 320 mile round trip?

EDIT: Oh it's long range - so stated 375 miles. Be reet

He was full of confidence until it arrived - he's keeping a spreadsheet of its power consumption now. Was quite surprised how much power they consume just sitting idle!

[Mr. Dazzle]

Heating you mean?

Kinda illustrates how much power an ICE wastes too, you can run those systems off of what the engine is chucking away in the bin

[v8-powered]

Heating you mean?

Kinda illustrates how much power an ICE wastes too, you can run those systems off of what the engine is chucking away in the bin

~Chatting to him yesterday he quote 1kW just to keep the car systems alive per day? Not being used, no heat - just sat on his driveway.

[Mr. Dazzle]

Dunno TBH, does sound like a lot. Probably more likely self discharge on the battery?

SOC is also notoriously hard to measure accurately, so even comparing "hot battery just parked" to "cold battery which has been outside all night" will appear to show some loss even if it's not "real".

[Slenver]

~Chatting to him yesterday he quote 1kW just to keep the car systems alive per day? Not being used, no heat - just sat on his driveway.

Does he mean 1 kWh?

Never thought about it like that, but even at today's crazy energy prices that's still only 30p/day. Not gonna break the bank one would hope.

[v8-powered]

Dunno TBH, does sound like a lot. Probably more likely self discharge on the battery?

SOC is also notoriously hard to measure accurately, so even comparing "hot battery just parked" to "cold battery which has been outside all night" will appear to show some loss even if it's not "real".

~Chatting to him yesterday he quote 1kW just to keep the car systems alive per day? Not being used, no heat - just sat on his driveway.

Does he mean 1 kWh?

Never thought about it like that, but even at today's crazy energy prices that's still only 30p/day. Not gonna break the bank one would hope.

Think it's all adding to his anxiety TBH.
Whilst I'd happily have an EV for my wife, who does max 25 miles per day, I think anyone who does decent mileage is still playing roulette until the infrastructure is improved. I can see him using his diesel Festa until the chargers at work are commissioned, even then I think he'll stress......

[Slenver]

Whilst I'd happily have an EV for my wife, who does max 25 miles per day, I think anyone who does decent mileage is still playing roulette until the infrastructure is improved. I can see him using his diesel Festa until the chargers at work are commissioned, even then I think he'll stress......

I'd definitely not enjoy commuting to the very limit of range if there was no option to charge en route or at work.

[mangocrazy]

If this report is to believed, and if Toyota is being entirely truthful about the solid state battery tech they are developing, then they are saying that by 2030 they will be able to commercially offer a battery with a range of greater than 700 miles and a recharge time of 10 minutes. Sounds (and smells) suspiciously like pie in the sky to me, but the EV market really does need a step change of this magnitude to gain widespread adoption.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... ctric-cars

[Rockburner]

If this report is to believed, and if Toyota is being entirely truthful about the solid state battery tech they are developing, then they are saying that by 2030 they will be able to commercially offer a battery with a range of greater than 700 miles and a recharge time of 10 minutes. Sounds (and smells) suspiciously like pie in the sky to me, but the EV market really does need a step change of this magnitude to gain widespread adoption.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... ctric-cars

IIRC there was a scientist (or a team) at some Uni who had figured that out, a year or two ago, but was looking for corporate backing to investigate whether or not it was feasible as an actual product. Mind you - that happens all the time - there's lots of people investigating this as a desirable technology, so they're always testing different materials and combinations.

[Mr. Dazzle]

Solid state batteries already exist, Toyota already exist...so....dunno. I mentioned a few pages back about how Mercedes are also brining silicone anode batteries to market, they potentially have up to 10 times the energy density of current tech.

As I've said loads of times now, I don't think there's going to be a step change. There are lots of incremental changes which are already happening. This is also reflected in the ownership figures, loads of people say "oh you need a step change of XXX for wide spread adoption to occur" and meanwhile OEMs are selling (literally) millions of EVs. The snowball has already started rolling.

[Greenman]

If this report is to believed, and if Toyota is being entirely truthful about the solid state battery tech they are developing, then they are saying that by 2030 they will be able to commercially offer a battery with a range of greater than 700 miles and a recharge time of 10 minutes. Sounds (and smells) suspiciously like pie in the sky to me, but the EV market really does need a step change of this magnitude to gain widespread adoption.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... ctric-cars

And a high explosive burn rate of 8000!

What ever happened to Hydrogen power, i though that was coming back into fashion again?

[mangocrazy]

As I've said loads of times now, I don't think there's going to be a step change. There are lots of incremental changes which are already happening. This is also reflected in the ownership figures, loads of people say "oh you need a step change of XXX for wide spread adoption to occur" and meanwhile OEMs are selling (literally) millions of EVs. The snowball has already started rolling.

What you're seeing are people with lots of disposable cash who can pick up another motoring toy to add to their collection. This is not mass adoption. Mass adoption is when the likes of grumpy old gits like me decide that it makes sense to go EV. At present that is sufficiently far in the future for it to be not worth thinking about.

Stuff like Toyota's alleged breakthrough is the kind of thing that could change my thinking, not incremental (read, very small) improvements.

[Slenver]

What you're seeing are people with lots of disposable cash who can pick up another motoring toy to add to their collection. This is not mass adoption. Mass adoption is when the likes of grumpy old gits like me decide that it makes sense to go EV. At present that is sufficiently far in the future for it to be not worth thinking about.

It's somewhere in between that. ICE cars still outsell EVs, but to say EVs are only bought as toys is hugely disingenuous. In December, the no.1, no.2 and no.9 best-selling cars in the UK were pure electric, and at least two others in the top 10 had electric variants of the models.

[Mr. Dazzle]

When I dropped my daughter at school this morning more than half the cars there were EVs, I made a note of it cause its some kind of threshold.

When the top 10 best selling cars list generally contains 1 or more EVs (which it does) it's time to stop thinking of them as niche IMO.

[Cousin Jack]

If this report is to believed, and if Toyota is being entirely truthful about the solid state battery tech they are developing, then they are saying that by 2030 they will be able to commercially offer a battery with a range of greater than 700 miles and a recharge time of 10 minutes. Sounds (and smells) suspiciously like pie in the sky to me, but the EV market really does need a step change of this magnitude to gain widespread adoption.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... ctric-cars

That would make sense for me. However I won't hold my breath for it.